The Gabriel Device, possible COP=8

[forest]

Jack

Welcome! You are new here but your statements are much consistent then many old members !
Yes,you are correct.
Look here also http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10666.msg283323#msg283323

[wayne49s]

Here is an idea, assuming the secondary core acts as a delay. Flux in secondary winding goes through this core and primary winding sees voltage that is in different phase, sort of delayed. So instead of this back EMF causing voltage drop in primary it will cause voltage increase. If this back emf could be delayed 180 degrees then it would add to primary in its entirety. The Tesla transformer that used two iron cores is based on this principle. In Tesla patent it was mentioned that you can take power out of it at constant amperage. Not sure what this statement actually means, you add more load you will always get same amperage out without taking it from the source ?

Now if this is what is going on in this transformer (or the Tesla version), then what happens if you put capacitor in the primary in parallel with the primary coil. You would then charge up capacitor once and it would begin to oscillate as normal LC tank circuit. This oscillation goes in the secondary and when you put load there the back emf would get added there and stored back in the capacitor. Capacitor would never deplete and oscillation would continue forever or as long as you take load out from secondary ?

As the name implies, I am new to this stuff, but I think there is overunity already in the LC circuit itself. You charge it once with half sine wave to some voltage, then it oscillates for a period of time and output is many sine waves though decreasing depending on the resistance of the L coil. Higher the frequency, less wire needed in the L coil and less resistance thus LC circuit rings longer. By putting pickup coil in the LC circuit you can then take this oscillation in another circuit. With proper 'fencing' this another circuit would not interfere with the primary, e.g. use low coupling between coils e.g. bifilar pancake or iron shield between windings.

Your explanation for the voltage increase is interesting. It was very consistent at the low voltage and the meter reading is accurate to 1%. I thought of the LC circuit also, but from the point that it generates high current in the primary while presenting high impedence to the input power. Also pulsing it on part of the time may improve OU as you mentioned. Lots of experimentation to do.

[Mavendex]

Wayne I have been doing a much higher turns ratio and find as the closer the innerwindings get to the outershell or if they are right next toit it will take less power to make the device work, obviously I probably have been overcharging it from the start, I get pretty primal sometimes and my bruteforce tactics probably need refined hehe,

but with those tactics I did find that it will infact take less current to charge the device if you have your turns closer to the outershell mabye we should think about a even smaller shell to accomadate the 1:1 turns ratio this would improve the ou factor as well.

Just some thoughts

Mav

[Jack Noskills]

I realised use of capacitor would not work very well with low frequency signal since f = 1/2*pi*sqrt(LC). To get 50/60 Hz from this you would need large L which would mean high R. Or really high C for the capacitor.

I propose some ideas for testing purposes, not sure what exactly is the current consensus with testing, but here goes:

You want to highest possible magnetic field generated by the primary without saturating the iron core. Tinplated teflon coated wire gives three times the magnetic field comapred to plain copper wire. Then bifilar wound winding gives two times better magnetic field than normal, maybe Rodin winding gives even better but it is hideous to wind.

The inner secondary wind generates also magnetic field but it should not reach iron core. So I would suggest using plain copper and normal wind there as we dont need its magnetic field. I think it would make sense to try thinner wire. I believe that thinner wire generates field that does not reach as far as thicker wire. Maybe magnetic field is not a field at all but a wave which behaves like rod in water, thicker rod produces wider waves. As amplitude of wave decreases between each wave then shorter wave decreases faster.

I am thinking of magnetic waves instead of magnetic fields as present theory does not explain magnetic current. I observed magnetic current when I played with E shaped iron plates placed against each other so that a loop was formed. I got two coils in the middle on both E's. When I run current through one coil those E plates sticked together and remained so even after power was disconnected for a long time. Higher the electric current harder they sticked together. Iron would not stick on the outside so it was not as the iron was turned into a magnet. After I forced E plates off by hand they were again normal plates of iron and wouldn't stick. Weird. I was not able to figure out a way to make use of this magnetic current though.

So, this makes me think that if there is a current then there should be waves too. What is seen as magnetic field would actually be peaks of these waves.

[wayne49s]

Wayne I have been doing a much higher turns ratio and find as the closer the innerwindings get to the outershell or if they are right next toit it will take less power to make the device work, obviously I probably have been overcharging it from the start, I get pretty primal sometimes and my bruteforce tactics probably need refined hehe,

but with those tactics I did find that it will infact take less current to charge the device if you have your turns closer to the outershell mabye we should think about a even smaller shell to accomadate the 1:1 turns ratio this would improve the ou factor as well.

Just some thoughts

Mav

Hi Mav, good to get your insight based on your experiments.. You've have the most experience on this device. I'll keep in mind what you mentioned for later experiment.

@Jack
The secondary wire size is also defined by the current expected too.