SMOT - Close to closing the loop ,second video-BIG improvement

[billmehess]

@billmehess:

My 2 cents.

When your ball exit from the gate and fall down, then it lose some energy
in the crash with the bottom; you must to smooth this fall
to gain energy in this phase with a gentle slide. Not too gentle
otherwise your ball don't exit from the gate and not too steep

otherwise your ball wastes energy.

Icarus
When the ball falls off the exit point it falls into a scoop which causes it to come back up and land on the exit board at a much higher spot than if it just fell off. The scoops angles are such that
a minimum amount of energy is lost in the fall. Its in the video!!

[billmehess]

@billmehess:

My 2 cents.

When your ball exit from the gate and fall down, then it lose some energy
in the crash with the bottom; you must to smooth this fall
to gain energy in this phase with a gentle slide. Not too gentle
otherwise your ball don't exit from the gate and not too steep
otherwise your ball wastes energy.

Icarus

when the ball falls off the end of the ramp it enters into a scoop which causes it to roll back up and enter the exit plate at a much higher level than if it just fell to the floor. Also this angle is gentle so that a minimum amount of energy is lost. Its all on the video!

[billmehess]

Bill,

Here is something you may want to try.
The track is level.

Groundloop.

This has been tried many times it will not work as the ball will not be able to enter the second set of magnets, At that point there is a strong repulsion effect.

[Low-Q]

To : Fat Chance, LowQ & Poit

Of course the ball can enter the SMOT. There is NO replusion here, the SMOT eaisly sucks the ball into it. Look at the video with the two SMOTS, the SMOT3 001 video, and you will see that CLEARLY in the second what I called a "down and dirty SMOT" I built it just to show this effect.
Again there is NO replusion only attraction at the SMOT enterance.
Any slowing down is only due to friction!!!!!!
The ball enters the magnetic conf. at a good speed. It exits the scoop at a good speed. What I have done so far has been able to reduce my initial height from about 2" to less than 1/2"
Will I be sucessful in this last hurdle, time will tell.
Potential energy is not a problem, it is a non factor. As far as the ball not being able to leave the SMOT due to height every video shows it doing just that.

Yes, it is, but the slope are too steep to slow down the ball significantly/visually. I have done both simulations and practical experiments on this. A ball running on a horizontal track, and approach a SMOT ramp, will stop before the ramp an be pushed slightly backwards again, but close enough the ball will be attracted. However, to get close enough, work must be applied. This is because the ball at a given distance, and farther away are magnetized with the flux that is not between the magnets, but the flux that is going from outside one magnet and into the outside of the other magnet. Therfor the ball will have S and N at the same sides as the magnets in the SMOT. But this magnetism will change polarity when the ball are getting close enough between the magnets.

Make a simulation in FEMM, and it is the quite clear what is happening.

Vidar

[Poit]

To : Fat Chance, LowQ & Poit

Of course the ball can enter the SMOT. There is NO replusion here, the SMOT eaisly sucks the ball into it. Look at the video with the two SMOTS, the SMOT3 001 video, and you will see that CLEARLY in the second what I called a "down and dirty SMOT" I built it just to show this effect.
Again there is NO replusion only attraction at the SMOT enterance.
Any slowing down is only due to friction!!!!!!
The ball enters the magnetic conf. at a good speed. It exits the scoop at a good speed. What I have done so far has been able to reduce my initial height from about 2" to less than 1/2"
Will I be sucessful in this last hurdle, time will tell.
Potential energy is not a problem, it is a non factor. As far as the ball not being able to leave the SMOT due to height every video shows it doing just that.

I said the OPPOSITE to that... the ONLY reason why the ball can leave the exit part of the gate is due to gravity. To prove my point, take away the fall and have the ball go up the slope and then make it escape the gate on a level track (no falling at all), impossible. It can NOT escape the magnetic fields that brought it there to begin with.