Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.

[fletcher]

Naah Michel .. the currency I deal in is facts - I don't like them sugar coated & wrapped up - patent applications protect your rights.

We will have to agree to disagree about your 'delivery strategy' & the motivations will remain unknown till the end.

Right now this saga is following a pattern - a few good men are trying to get to the bottom of this.

[neptune]

Hello Webby,
My team is currently planning the build for our desk top self running water pump.
I would love to see your teams creativity with the ZED technology!
How about a new challenge for you and your team..a $5K ZED  challenge.
Specifically designed by your team to ease measurements of input and output.
Two single five or six layer systems will do, or a combined system.
It does not need to be transparent.
Weight of the riser is not an issue works as a counterbalance - steel, aluminum may be used.
The risers may all be attached to one lid.
The system needs to be able to be measured and have access to each layer (tubing both air and water).

Part two: $10K ZED challenge ----5 layer, dual Z.E.D. water pump.
If your design team connects the system together for a self runner - I will double the 5K Challenge to 10K.
and each member of your team will receive a HER ownership certificate - valued at the current valuation and equal to the prize.

Five members max - pick them wisely.

Suggestions:
You do not have to beat our team - but time is important.
plan on 1/4 or 1/2 inch gaps between risers and ring walls - will work fine.
If you start with a pumping system and then size accordingly - a lot of time is saved.
The previous expectations apply - after a reasonable time of testing and reporting - you must send me the units, you are welcome to make an authorized extra set to keep for yourself.
Placard with your team members name and the name of the device Zydro Energy Device on all systems made.

What do you think? Up to it?

Wayne Travis

If you read the last paragraph, Wayne is recommending gaps of one quarter to one half of an inch, and that in a table top model. To me, that says that capilliary action plays no part in the working of a ZED.

[neptune]

@Conradelektro. In your last post , you asked a number of questions. Most of these questions have been previously answered, but I will try to answer them again.
1. Where are the risers before water is pumped in? See post number373 on page 25, which shows the Zed at various points through the cycle.


2Where is water pumped in? Through the bottom of the pod chamber at the centre of the base.


3. How is the movement of the risers restricted? In wayne`s current model, it is restricted by mechanical stops, as the production rams [hydraulic rams used as pumps,] reach the end of their travel.


4.Where are the risers after the water is pumped in? They are at the uppermost point of their travel, restrained mechanically.


5 .Where is the overpressure measured? It could be measure at the water inlet at the bottom of the pod chamber.


6. Where is the overpressure led out to another Zed? From the same point that it was pumped in previously, see [2]


I have done my best to answer your questions.

[see3d]

Hi .. I can't really imagine what you are conveying here - is this property of negative PSI you observe in your sim peculiar to compressible air or would it still happen with non compressible fluids ?

It appears to me that the 3 gaps form a system like a barometer which is a weight of fluid in a tube with a vacuum at the top - I talked about it being a type of syphon before but it has properties of both perhaps.

I would look closely at your transfer volumes & ratios between each concentric gap - obviously as fluid or air transfers from a gap of least radius to the the next of larger radius the same volume transferred will fill less of the next gap volume which is larger [assuming gap sizes are constant] - this variable transfer rate & gap volume is probably already factored in your sim but could be what is causing your pressure findings ?

One method to test this in the sim is to recalculate the gap sizes/volumes so that the same volume is transferred consistently [& transfer rate] from gap to gap as radius increases etc.

Just some thoughts.

fletcher, 
This negative PSI state is because of the expanding air volume created by the upward movement  of the Riser.  It is independent of the type of fluid.  I am still in context from the weekend and only refer to the sim model I have shown, not what others have shown.  I know it is hard to keep track with individual threads being interspersed on this site.

I only have one air gap in my single layer model as shown. 

All sim calculations take into consideration the differing areas and volumes of the rings and one key consistency check is the the total volume of the water did not change after any calculation of fluid transfer between H1 and H2.

[fletcher]

It sure doesn't sound like capillary action is a likely candidate Neptune.

But this is a process of elimination until nothing further can be eliminated or discounted from the equation - remember, no one wants to tell us what their theories are about where the proposed excess energy comes from [ah humm .. excuse me, discounted cost of input energy gleaned from non conservative gravity].

Once you've eliminated the impossible you are left with the improbable.

That is assuming that there is any discounted energy input cost to be found - I don't take that as a given or statement of fact at all.

Eventually the build teams will report in & see3d will get his ZED sims working to his satisfaction & checked against real data - then we'll have a real chance to tell fact from fiction.

More power to their elbows so we can move onwards & upwards - maybe who knows, guys like MT might ditch their solar for a HydroEnergyRevolution house hold unit in a years time.