Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.

[wildew]

A look at the Zed process flow,
It all has been said and described before by Wayne, but let me expand zed process flow from one of Wayne's posting's, from a few months ago. Maybe this is easier to read with understanding

3.. The lifter was held at the preparation stage before stroke and also at the top of the stroke.
11.. While we pump, the zed#2 lifter remains stopped (locked)

Hi Michel
Great post with I clarification. (unless I misunderstood your post)
Wayne stated a couple days ago that the risers are not locked after the initial setup. During normal cycling their motion is only constrained by the stops at both ends of travel and the load itself.

After thinking about that response a bit it made a lot of sense too; holding the risers down while water is flowing in would take more energy than necessary because the head pressure would keep climbing.

We need to cause the masses to shift with the least amount of effort possible.
Dale

[mrwayne]

Hi Michel
Great post with I clarification. (unless I misunderstood your post)
Wayne stated a couple days ago that the risers are not locked after the initial setup. During normal cycling their motion is only constrained by the stops at both ends of travel and the load itself.

After thinking about that response a bit it made a lot of sense too; holding the risers down while water is flowing in would take more energy than necessary because the head pressure would keep climbing.

We need to cause the masses to shift with the least amount of effort possible.
Dale

A perspective point -
They are locked mechanically during set up, and by load during stroke, and by weight of the system during sink.
(Sink does not occur until enough head is transferred to the other ZED so they are locked naturally during stoke).
Wayne

[mrwayne]

Hi,
I showed this to my colleagues.

Marcel

Hope this helps.

[fletcher]

@  All ..

There is a lot of talk of extraneous PE after a ZED cycle.


Seamus makes the point well that to be OU, Potential has to be raised, & he gives the easy to visualize example of water spontaneously flowing uphill as he eloquently puts it.


I will simplify it even further for clarity, also drawing on a simple visualization thought experiment to see a pattern or energy flow.

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If two different density materials/objects are mixed together & one of those is a higher density fluid, then the lighter density material will rise to the surface - this is buoyancy - the buoyancy is a result of a pressure differential below the object & above it - IOW's the pressure below is greater than above when looked at in force terms [ F = P x A ].

The fluid has pressure because it has mass & due to gravity's acceleration on that mass - that pressure increase with depth is linear - if we artificially increase the pressure conditions by doing work on a fluid [ Pascal's principles ] the pressure changes with depth are still linear & the buoyancy force still the same.

That's a simple explanation of why things float.

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Here's an even simpler visualization of buoyancy.


When two materials/objects of different densities are mixed together gravity acts on them both equally wanting to pull them down - the more dense fluid will find its way downwards while the lighter density object finds it way upwards - the more dense material always flows to a position beneath the less dense material & this is what forces it upwards.



After they have separated the Center of Mass [ CoM ] of the original homogenized mix has been lowered - i.e. the system has lost PE i.e. the separation is a natural event that allows the system to find its position of least PE.

The system had a higher PE at the start of the thought experiment because work had been done on it to cause the mixing & raise the CoM because of that mixing - the beginning of the cycle was when energy was put into it in the mixing of materials & raising of the system PE [ this is a factor of mass distribution ].

At no time do materials separate in a gravity field so that more dense materials sink underneath less dense materials and RAISE the PE of the system.

Happy hunting !

[mondrasek]

A couple LEDs inside the inner pod (snip)...

That statement alone has had me smiling every time I've had a chance to think about it since I read it yesterday!  It is completely fitting for an OU device to have an LED in it somewhere, right?  Good stuff.  And thanks!

What would you propose that could fit inside the Pod that could be turned on externally, sealed, etc?  I was thinking a surface mount LED with a tiny JT and battery on a board that could fit through the 1/4" hole in the bottom of my Pod (before sealing).  But how to turn it on and off?

You KNOW we can't use wireless power transmission for reasons you have shown in other threads!

This idea is completely off topic, but hilarious (to me at least)!  So I'd like to see a mock up or concept description of what a Koala would do.

M.