Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.

[Red_Sunset]

Good point RSS.  Like I said, after the validation Wayne will release his book which explains the ZED.  The bonus would be that the system would also be proven, the skeptics can go home and the rest of us can join the "117 members" to get this thing to the public.  Maybe that sounds too optimistic, but getting past the validation would enable this team to finally move forward with this project.  Yes?  No?

Validation, the "yes or no" is dependent on the way how you look at the whole picture,
Wayne knows what his system does, he doesn't need the validation, but he sure he needs to convince other outside people and therein the validation is a technical business milestone to progress to the next stage in his planned business path,  which is commercialization.  If you see yourself as a future part of his direct or related business activity, I can see the importance.

From a science and technical  viewpoint, it importance is greatly diminished except for the "second opinion confirmation value". 
If the skeptics need to rely on Mark Dansie confirmation to home, what is their worth then?.  Isn't their assessment based on good and proper science principles, as has been mentioned throughout this thread.
I would expect a skeptic worth his salt (who thinks he knows what he is talking about) to cry foul when Mark confirms that the Zed works.  The fist accusations leveled could be that Mark is in a conspiracy with Wayne.

Regarding the statement "the validation would enable this team to finally move forward with this project",  Moving forward to what ?  The pretty HER animation shown is already a model T-ford,  the validation will be be done on the next generation system which only resembles in a small part the model-T.  So for moving forward, most people here have already missed the bus in petty squabbles that stifled progress. The system will go from here under cover to protect business advantage as it moves into the future.

The forum had the full attention of an experienced inventor how wanted to educate ( lay the basis to create inventors, not dump knowledge), but the relationship process of teacher<-> student was reversed due to immaturity that muffled the teacher with the tragic results seen.  In retrospect I can only ay that Wayne's good idea was to ambitious and the attendees to immature, possibly caused by mismatched expectations on both sides.

Golden opportunities have been lost for all (with or without validation)

[Red_Sunset]

No opportunities have been lost and this charade will end shortly in the only possible result.
No validation will be forth coming and people will lose interest.
My only regret would be they wasted time even considering the idea as viable in the first place.

My silly boy Seamus,
You obviously like to waste your time on this forum.  Like all of us. Why would you do that ?
It obviously gives you enjoyment.  You are welcome to your fun!   
I also have been trying to let the forum lie to the side, a few times in the past but the forum seems addictive, akin to blogging.

I enjoy your regular entries on this forum to amuse us with your doomsday rethoric. That is quite OK
Do you have any variations on the same theme ?  I would like that.

[powercat]

Validation, the "yes or no" is dependent on the way how you look at the whole picture,
Wayne knows what his system does, he doesn't need the validation, but he sure he needs to convince other outside people and therein the validation is a technical business milestone to progress to the next stage in his planned business path,  which is commercialization.  If you see yourself as a future part of his direct or related business activity, I can see the importance.

From a science and technical  viewpoint, it importance is greatly diminished except for the "second opinion confirmation value". 
If the skeptics need to rely on Mark Dansie confirmation to home, what is their worth then?.  Isn't their assessment based on good and proper science principles, as has been mentioned throughout this thread.
I would expect a skeptic worth his salt (who thinks he knows what he is talking about) to cry foul when Mark confirms that the Zed works.  The fist accusations leveled could be that Mark is in a conspiracy with Wayne.

Regarding the statement "the validation would enable this team to finally move forward with this project",  Moving forward to what ?  The pretty HER animation shown is already a model T-ford,  the validation will be be done on the next generation system which only resembles in a small part the model-T.  So for moving forward, most people here have already missed the bus in petty squabbles that stifled progress. The system will go from here under cover to protect business advantage as it moves into the future.

The forum had the full attention of an experienced inventor how wanted to educate ( lay the basis to create inventors, not dump knowledge), but the relationship process of teacher<-> student was reversed due to immaturity that muffled the teacher with the tragic results seen.  In retrospect I can only ay that Wayne's good idea was to ambitious and the attendees to immature, possibly caused by mismatched expectations on both sides.

Golden opportunities have been lost for all (with or without validation)

What a lot of excuses you are making for Wayne not releasing any further information,
it's as if you know that's what is going to happen.

An alternative response you could have made.
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I am sorry that people are struggling to understand how Wayne's self-running device works,
and I hope soon to have good news about the verification team, in the meantime it is good
to see two members have started retesting as they hope to produce more accurate results.
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But unfortunately all we get from you is the sound of an arrogant salesman telling everyone
we must believe in your product without question.

(we tell you there isn't enough information Because there isn't enough information)

[neptune]

The importance of validation. About 40 years ago, when i was a mere lad of 27, my friend and I built a couple of unicycles, and learned to ride them. I then built a two metre tall unicycle with chain drive. In spite of many tries, I found it impossible to ride. Then my friend, who had more courage than I, got on it, and rode it about 3 metres. I immediately got on it and rode it 100 metres! What had changed? I now knew that it was possible, and was prepared to invest the courage and effort to really try it for myself. The time and effort that needs to be invested to understand the ZED is by no means trivial, so most people will not bother, unless they are 100% sure that the effort will be rewarded. Simples!

[Red_Sunset]

.............................................  What had changed? I now knew that it was possible, and was prepared to invest the courage and effort to really try it for myself. The time and effort that needs to be invested to understand the ZED is by no means trivial, so most people will not bother, unless they are 100% sure that the effort will be rewarded. Simples!

Thanks Neptune for your alternative angle of insight,
I fully agree with your fresh view.  What you are saying that the risk factor is too high? 
Sure this is a personal choice.  Low effort, low risk, usually low return
I think of knowledge as intertwined building blocks and that an strand of knowledge can diversify into other area's or lead up a new branch.  So a singular outcome is not that critical.