Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.

[mondrasek]

@mrwayne,

What are the benefits of moving the water between the two ZEDs vs. moving the air to cycle the buoyancy force back and forth?

Thanks,

M.

[mondrasek]

When B C D have a greater effect than A, energy is being lost. This is because the weight (110?) is trying to compress a hydraulic cylinder.

Sorry @johnny874, but there is no "weight" 110.  110 is the outside wall of the Outer Riser.  I think you may be thinking that the rectangular area in which the numbers 188 and 162 are printed is a weight, but it is actually an open top cylindrical chamber.

The rest of your post is also unfortunately wrong in many ways.  If you wished to understand better you may want to try rereading the patent.

M.

[johnny874]

Sorry @johnny874, but there is no "weight" 110.  110 is the outside wall of the Outer Riser.  I think you may be thinking that the rectangular area in which the numbers 188 and 162 are printed is a weight, but it is actually an open top cylindrical chamber.

The rest of your post is also unfortunately wrong in many ways.  If you wished to understand better you may want to try rereading the patent.

M.

  M,
Not sure how your post got to me with my having stopped all notifications.
It is okay, you can call me wrong, especially on this;
The differential air mass exchanger 102a may be connected to at least two units 101a and 101b, when additional work is added to one side of the differential air mass exchanger 102; the cylinder 216 travels in the opposite direction. The additional work can be supplied directly or mechanically. The differential air mass exchanger 102 is utilized to control the speed of the pre-charge and cycle/stroke of the apparatus

Read more: http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20120117957#ixzz1wwuUjVcO
It's the 2nd half of 0088. I did not write that. Air pressure is controlled by something other than the mechanics being cited.
It seems I did read the patent. This is why I designed something where the manipulation of the air pressure comes from manipulating the volume of the cylinder through mechanical/haydraulic and pneumatic means, but using no air exchangers.
Just a flow path where each individual item can be understood on it's own terms as to energy consupmtion and work performed. But as Mr. Wayne posted, they are adding more complexity to this device. I believe it is as I posted earlier,
It seems the more complex something is, the less likely it is to be genuine.

                                                                                                                                 Jim

edited to add; it looks like 104 is the outer wall. 110 seems to be something that occupies the space on top of various riser sections. Like the weight Mr. Wayne used in his aqurarium demonstration.

[mondrasek]

Jim,

The three buoyant section, 1. the Pod, 2. the Inner Riser, and 3. the Outer Riser all move upwards due to buoyancy and drive a hydraulic accumilator attached above.  The motion is controlled by balancing the air pressure through the differential air mass exchanger.  The differential air mass exchanger is utilizing a portion of the energy that is stored by the hydraulic accumilator.  Each upstroke of a ZED produces more energy than needed to cycle the differential air mass exchanger.  So air pressure is 100% being controlled by the mechanics being cited.

Later on in the patent you can read that an alternative way of cycling the buoyancy between the two ZEDs is to move some of the water instead of the air.  I believe there may be some advantage to moving the water vs. the air and hope to hear an answer.  Might just be economics.  The differential (water) mass exchanger is cheaper and has fewer wear items I think.

Thanks,

M.

[johnny874]

Jim,

The three buoyant section, 1. the Pod, 2. the Inner Riser, and 3. the Outer Riser all move upwards due to buoyancy and drive a hydraulic accumilator attached above.  The motion is controlled by balancing the air pressure through the differential air mass exchanger.  The differential air mass exchanger is utilizing a portion of the energy that is stored by the hydraulic accumilator.  Each upstroke of a ZED produces more energy than needed to cycle the differential air mass exchanger.  So air pressure is 100% being controlled by the mechanics being cited.

Later on in the patent you can read that an alternative way of cycling the buoyancy between the two ZEDs is to move some of the water instead of the air.  I believe there may be some advantage to moving the water vs. the air and hope to hear an answer.  Might just be economics.  The differential (water) mass exchanger is cheaper and has fewer wear items I think.

Thanks,

M.

  Did a quick check on no.110, he is mixing in the "pod" which floats with other systems. None the less, it is still a weighted float.
The prime mover in the what's his name Effect. Also, you failed to mention how water rising outside of this system performing no work creates an advantage. Seriously, if you or Wayne Travis wish to discuss engineering, I am all for it.
But what is being presented fails to address a flow path of cause and effect which can demonstrate a potential gain. Complicating the system is akin to cooking the books in accounting. Just create phoney off shore accounts and no one can follow all the transfers. Enron did it until tthey had to pay the bills.
D@mn me if you will, but pretty soon I'll start coming off as credible for supporting Bessler's work which can be considered using cause and effect and action-reaction. Simply put, I do believe he cheated the laws of physcis by having gravity drop weights twice. Of course, in a rotating wheel, this is possible 
Once when the are moving upwards and then again on their way down when they are performing work which keeps the wheel rotating. You see, his weights cancel each other out until you consider f=ma. That means it takes energy to rotate the wheel. Simple, just the way I like it.



edited to add;
A quick video showing water is displaced when placed between 2 surfaces. Something I have discussed for the last 2 years or so.
By using a tube, the fluid and it's characteristics can be controlled. This simply means that it can be pumped from one pump to another as the wheel rotates.
And what Bessler realized was that using leverage allowed for more work to be done. This simply means that more fluid could be pumped than what the weight alone could do. And the weight is reset because as the wheel rotates, it drops when passing top center. This allows it to fall again when it is primed (has fluid ready to be pumped).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chyOzgkaDkg&feature=youtu.be