Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.

[neptune]

@mondrasek. Ok , I sort of understand that. Would you care to comment on my last paragraph, about doing away with the hydraulics?

[mrwayne]

OK Guys and thanks for your help. My problem at this stage is as follows. Take the simple Travis effect . As soon as the Travis vessel lifts a short distance, the effect is lost. We can not overcome this problem by making the displacer block rise with the vessel . So how exactly do we overcome this problem. Is it by restricting the vessels rise to a short distance ? Is this why we need multiple vessels , or layers?
      Just suppose that instead of driving a generator, we wanted this machine to drive a winch , raising a weight. Could we replace the hydraulic system with a purely mechanical system, in theory at least?

Good thinking,
The Travis Effect does have a predictable and short range - which become design and expectation requirements.
Layering does not help with the stroke length,the primary reason for the layering is to increase the pressure diffirentials in relatively the same space - it is like haveing the Travis Effect mutliple times
Or multiple forces combined - the way it is designed - only one of the layers needs to be changed in order to activate the force in all layers - making it very simple to alternate between an upward force and sink.

Thanks Wayne

[markdansie]

Hi
Just to get the record straight, from what I have seen Mr Wayne has something from early tests I saw. However before i sign off on this one It has to be subjected to a continuous two day non stop test, and then be subjected to evaluation by a team of engineers and scientists.
i am impressed with the people involved and the community spirit in which it has been developed.
Time will tell if the device will be proved out but all the signs so far is indicating they may succeed.
Kind Regards
Mark

[mondrasek]

@mondrasek. Ok , I sort of understand that. Would you care to comment on my last paragraph, about doing away with the hydraulics?

Neptune, I think the hydraulic accumulator and feedback system could be replaced by a mechanical winch system.  Due to the short stroke and high forces being output, I believe a purely mechanical system would end up with a lot of gearing that would, of course, introduce more losses.  But that is only a guess.

Right now the output of the system is captured and stored by a hydraulic accumulator.  Would it be better for you to visualize a mechanical accumulator run off of the hydraulic capture system?  Something like each rising Zed still pushes on a hydraulic cylinder, but instead of that pressure going into the hydraulic accumulator it directly runs a hydraulic motor that is used to winch up a weight.  The potential energy stored in the raised weight can be used to back drive the hydraulic motor as a pump to supply hydraulic pressure to other parts of the system, or it could be used purely mechanically or to spin an electric generator.  Either conversion method would work.  It's just a matter of finding the most efficient (least loss) way of capturing the energy from the buoyant rise of the Zeds.

M.

[neptune]

@Mondrasek. OK that last post was most helpful to me, and hopefully to a lot of other people who do not understand all this and are afraid to ask. I can visualise a hydraulic accumulator . in its simplest form, it is just a balloon! If we pump oil into a balloon, we expend energy stretching the balloon . But we can make use of that energy later by using the oil under pressure to operate a hydraulic ram . Another way we could make an accumulator would be to use a ram to compress a spring. Later, by use of valves , we could allow the spring to compress the ram again, and feed the oil into a second ram .
        Now imagine that we want to build a version of this machine that is just a "bare bones" version to use as a teaching aid. We are not too worried about max efficiency , we do not need to drive any massive loads. What would be good is if the machine would run itself. If necessary any switching or valve operation could be done by hand, just as it was in the first steam engines.
         So we replace the whole system of hydraulics , including the accumulator with a lever or levers and a spring.From a practical point of view, this machine would be pretty much useless. Except that as a teaching aid it would be priceless. All the cylinders/ tanks could be transparent, and where possible separate volumes of water could be dyed different colours.
      The big question here is, is any of this feasible or am I talking BS.
  @Mark Dansie . Thank you for your words of encouragement . I realise that you need to see more prolonged tests before totally committing yourself.


    Another important question here . So we have 3 cylinders nested inside each other. So to increase the bouoyancy of the whole thing, I am presuming we have to force a [small] amount of air into this system . So to do that we need to input some energy into the system, to pump that air . Am I right in thinking that the energy we can gain by that buoyancy is greater than the energy needed to pump the air?


I am just greatful that there is someone who will answer my questions.