Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.

[neptune]

Hi Larry. So if I am understanding you, in both cases we have the same input volume and pressure . But in the Zed we get more lift because that same input is acting on a larger area.


In your post no 813, the spreadsheet shows that a ZED is 146.43% as efficient as a hydraulic ram. Am I right in thinking that that is a single ZED and so does not have as high an efficiency as a twin ZED set-up , where we use the "exhaust" of one ZED to partly feed the input of the other ZED?

[mrwayne]

Hello Neptune,
That is correct - each layer divides the pressure 'as does Boyles law' -
Each Layer of the Z.E.D. acts to increase the surface area - because each diameter is larger.
In the Zed system the only volume is the "Pod chamber"
So when you use simple physics to calculate the lift - the extra surface area of the risers shows up.
(keep in mind that this is only one of the unique attributes - it is least of our gains).
Wayne
p.s. running good today ;-)

[mondrasek]

p.s. running good today ;-)

Thanks for the mid-holiday update.

Godspeed.

M.

[DreamThinkBuild]

Hi All,

I found this amusing and encouraging to all builders, experimenters and tinkerers out there.

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"But it is a pity in a way because the great advances in physics have come from experiments that gave results we didn't expect."

"For this reason I had a bet with Gordon Kane of Michigan University that the Higgs particle wouldn't be found. It seems I have just lost $100."

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Keep building and experimenting.

[LarryC]

The evidence given so far showing increased forces in a spreadsheet are laughably inaccurate. They conveniently ignore internal transfers of energy (forces AND displacements) and quote some of the force increase on one side as 'overunity'.  This completely ignores that ALL of this 'force' (and displacement) needs to be transferred back to the other side for the system to continue to function. If we were to tap ANY part of that 'increase' the system would immediately stop. (as it will anyway due to friction losses in the fluid flow.)

Wayne asked that we do not respond to attacks for him, and yes, I can respect that, but this time it is a attack on me. The difference is that I don't believe you are here to learn, as shown in your first post to your last (just click on his name and press on show post to understand his agenda), but I know that you are here to deceive as I have witness several of your kind. So lets check out your current deceptions.

'The evidence given so far showing increased forces in a spreadsheet are laughably inaccurate'.

I included the spreadsheet dataset just to make sure that all can review that the math is clear, so Seamus101, please show where the math is inaccurate, laughing deceiver.

'They conveniently ignore internal transfers of energy (forces AND displacements) and quote some of the force increase on one side as 'overunity'.'

Seamus101, I have not stated they were created to show the internal transfers of energy. They only show the initial lift forces for a single zed and some show the increase over Hydraulic's initial lift force. So what what would you call 146% over Hydraulics, deceiver?

　

'This completely ignores that ALL of this 'force' (and displacement) needs to be transferred back to the other side for the system to continue to function.'

Again, Seamus101, this is only a single zed to show the initial lift force and not a full ZED transfer system.



'If we were to tap ANY part of that 'increase' the system would immediately stop. (as it will anyway due to friction losses in the fluid flow.)'

Ludicrous statement that it would immediately stop, Seamus101, but lets bring up your friction losses in the fluid flow. In a Hydraulic cylinder the losses in a cylinder is mainly due to the friction loss between the cylinder and the seals on the piston and the gland, they do not even considers the fluid loses as the seal and gland frictional loses are so much larger. Travis system has has no such seal losses, deceiver.

　

@All, Please see the attached picture to understand the large frictional loses of the hydraulic seals as opposed to the small fluid loses in the Travis system.


　

Regards, Larry