Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.

[wildew]

Hi Dale,
I would venture to say that the apple transformed light (sun) energy to gravitational energy
Michel

2 points Michel 

Now that thunder cloud carrying a million gallons of desalinated seawater, WOW is that some potential !
They both have energy cycles and we have found ways to extract energy from them without causing the world to disintegrate. I don't see this one as being all that different. With energy from the sun powering those it's easy to comprehend "where the energy comes from".

One day I'll better understand the full energy cycle of this machine too.
Dale

[mondrasek]

I'm a few pages behind but wanted to report that my three layer (Pod and two risers) is functional and I've been able to play with it a bit today.  Also got some time with it yesterday, but that was mostly for leak and functionality testing.

First thing I can say is I wish it was instrumented!  Even with a fairly clear and relatively simple three layer setup it is difficult to see where the water and air levels are.  I think I might need to tint the water slightly...

My ZED is up on a little stand.  Below the stand is a Tee fitting that was glued to a central hole in the bottom of the Pod chamber.  One remaining branch of the Tee goes by a short section of clear tubing to a valve.  I use this valve to bleed off the ZED water pressure, or to insert air into the bottom of the Pod chamber.

The other remaining branch of the Tee goes to the cap of a 20 oz soda bottle.  The bottom of that bottle is cut off and a hanger loop is attached so I can hang it on one of the racks beside my work bench above the ZED.  So it is simply a funnel to allow water into the bottom of the Pod chamber.  Just like a beer bong...

I've been having fits trying to find a sequence of adding pre and load weights, add water and air, locking the system, etc., that may lead to a repeatable process for charging.  But I have no mass scale at the moment and I think my pre&load weights equal a sum way too close to the ideal at the moment.  So it is very easy to blow skirts (not fun) or flood the top of my outer riser.  On that last point, I have no outer riser head extender (yet) and now see much more reason for that particular feature.

I've only got a couple days left before a week long vacation/adventure, so I doubt I'll be able to report anything more substantial any time soon.  But I wanted to pass this along to those who it might benefit and will do my best to answer any questions by forum or PM.

This is by far the weirdest acting contraption that I have ever built.  So thank you, Wayne, for that alone!

M.

[MT]

I think the contradiction comes from having different viewing angles or it was said in a different context.
There is the view of the Zed just as a "Layered buoyancy device" or as a "Complete System", this makes a difference.
To make it perhaps more confusing, most of the physical references made in previous pages were about the demo model version (which is already an old version zed).  A lot has been learned by Wayne's team in the meantime and from what I gather and certain things that I deduced myself, several improvements can be made which changes the capabilities of the device that make it different from the old one.
The theoretical advantage of the layered buoyancy device increases as the number of layers increase, there is no doubt about that. The statement of "perfect unity" was maybe only 98% correct, the purpose was to clarify the detail that made it "over perfect unity". 
Understanding comes from analyzing, to understand the pod, you need to look at all details within, all parameters that conspire or contradict each other, surface ratio's, pressure ratio's ...ect. and observe their relationships as you change one parameter, watch the response changes in the others, the key is to find mutual beneficial relationships and optimize those to bring the cost down. Do not focus on trying to create new energy, try to demand the greatest discount for your energy purchase. You cannot stay focused on one point only, as you analyze more from within, the familiarity will unfold the whole picture to you in due time.
The sim should assist a great deal in that and maybe reveal some new dynamic ratio changes
Also be very clear on the understanding of buoyancy, a clear view of standard & paradox Archimedes relationships is very helpfull
Good luck, Michel

Hi Michel,
I'm still amazed that way how to achieve OU is clearly presented on this forum. After all these years. Personally I always wanted to understand an OU device and tell others how simple it is with no strings attached. Then for me this is sort of mission accomplished. I need to set new goals on what I would like to do with it now. You know it is like you would like to have something for long you do not believe it is possible (just hope it is) and suddenly you just get it. And honestly it got me by surprise. I though I'll never be here BUT here we are.

I was excited so I tried to explain the concept (with a simple Archimedes pod) to couple of colleagues. They could understand that reusing of potential but then got into doubts about how a pod can perform work and still water beneath it keeps potential. One was over concerned about losses. Maybe I just overwhelm them with details. All of them then continued in business as usual,  I wonder whether somebody will come back to discuss it again.

About what to disclose:
I can understand a skeptic that tried to understand and analysed tens of ideas before ZED and is so disappointed/fed up with them not working that expects full disclosure of yet new idea somebody claiming is OU before he gets from his chair. Hopefully now even such sceptic understands it is worth it.

thank you all,
Marcel

[fletcher]

Hi Marcel .. what is stopping you from posting a few photo's with explanations & arrows showing things etc ?

A few posts back you made the comment that a single layer ZED showed unity [100% I think you said] i.e. work input equaled work output, & you expected that.

Then immediately you said the unit still had potential [energy] that could be used to pre-charge another unit so an estimated reduction in input cost of estimated 50% & back & forth & so on.

This unity comment would now seem a contradiction - if the unit has additional potential after one complete cycle it can't be 100% because you haven't accounted for the raised potential in pressures or whatever.

Webby1 & Mondrasek are happy to post photo's with explanations of their finding as they progress forward - when you get over you euphoria perhaps you could find the time to post a pic or two ?

A complete logical cycle sequence would be good including pre-charge etc if there is any - thanks in advance.

[wildew]

I think I might need to tint the water slightly...

On that last point, I have no outer riser head extender (yet) and now see much more reason for that particular feature.

M.

Thanks for the update and the "warning" M.
No provision for extensions on mine at the moment either...

On the "tinting": Since I should have access to each water chamber I've considered adding some form of colorant (different colors) to each after getting the water volumes set. Not sure what might work without staining yet, need to look in to that.

You have fair sized gaps? Any chance of putting "floaters" into the riser / wall spaces during assembly?

Have fun!
Dale