Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.

[powercat]

I suggest you read the thread properly MileHigh has done this on a number of occasions as well as others,
since it is Wayne who is making the claim, most members believe it is his responsibility to prove his case,
from the evidence he has provided so far no one has been able to produce a clear overunity device or a
self-running one.

And the amount of excuses he gives for delaying verification makes him someone not to be trusted on his word

[DiscerningDave]

By the way, an IP address is easy to change, just google it. It is used by some with MMD (Multiple Member Disorder). I love it when they use the alias to ask questions, so they can make a point they want to express, true psychopaths. Anyone interested should press on Discerning Dave's name and do a show post. Can you guess who is really is?

I'll take it as a compliment that you think I'm TK. However, I haven't his background knowledge nor the time to write all those posts.  (I doubt TK will take your accusation as a compliment.)

[mondrasek]

I finally got the testing done that I was trying for all weekend.  I'll skip the long post since I need to tend to other things right now, but here is the important info:  The stroke distance has been changed to only 7mm.  The volume of water change is achieved and measured using a 12 ml plastic syringe through a prefilled siphon tube that has been snaked into the original fill tube and is down below the minimum levels that tube ever approaches.

System was stroked to the bottom of the 7mm and then the 1000 gram lift mass was installed.  Readings were taken and then increments of 5 ml of water were added via the syringe/siphon tube and readings taken again.  This was repeated 18 times.  The final input water increment was only 2 ml since this brought the stroke into the top stop.  At this point the lift mass was removed and readings taken again.  Then the water was removed first with the final 2 ml volume and then again by 5 ml increments to repeat the data points used in the upstroke.

M.

[Red_Sunset]

Just some useless usage of some poor electrons.
The use of normal forces and interactions in the normal method will yield to normal results.
When these forces and interactions are not used in the normal method then the results may or may not yield normal results, they may be different than expected.
When a result that is different than expected is encountered then causality is what needs to be found, investigated, so that eventually an understanding of that difference will be known.
Over time and over many threads TK has demonstrated a large practical knowledge in many disciplines, even if his method of posting and challenging things is unsavory his abilities should not be readily discounted.
TK has posted that he had an unexpected result from his Tinsel Zed augmented pump.
This observation from TK should be used as a reason for further investigation, the results that have been posted about performance should be used as a reason for further investigation.
When causality of the unexpected results is understood then we will be able to move forward with a better understanding of the world around us.

Webby1,
You provide some very wise words that are easy overlooked.
Wayne provided a clear method we could use to advance but we all chose to ignore it and rather proceeded with bickering about what he has "to do" rather than what we "can do" with the information provided.
Is this normal human nature?

[MileHigh]

TK is a solid good guy and has done a lot of great work over the years.  No one should doubt his honesty, integrity or sincerity.

There are clearly attempts being made to establish credibility for the claim by repeatedly making references to the alleged proof of the operating principle as described in certain posts in the thread.  Repeated attempts are being made to make it appear that the skeptics are unable to understand the alleged theory.  This is an attempt to portray the skeptics as simply unable to grasp what is allegedly going on because of their fixed mindset.  If you read this over and over it can have an influence on some people that can be easily swayed by this kind of talk.

This is all in fact complete nonsense.  There is nothing whatsoever in this thread that could even remotely be considered a logical line of reasoning that is "proof" that this ZED system is possible.  The alleged proof is just a bunch of carefully crafted sentences put together that in fact say nothing at all.  Another simple fact is that it's extremely difficult to describe how a complex mechanical device operates without the aid of schematic diagrams and charts and timing diagrams.  Since the culture of the free energy forums has always been like this, take the example of people talking about electronic circuits without the aid of electrical schematics, this strategy blends in nicely and becomes less noticeable.

So, there is a not-so-subliminal attempt to "play" the audience with the understanding on the part of the player that some of them will be swayed and actually believe what they read.  But the real truth is that there have been no logical explanations offered for how this system could possibly work.  There are simply a bunch of convincing sounding sentences strung together that seem to sound credible but are in fact not credible.

You all just have to be honest with yourselves and ask yourselves if you have ever read an explanation for how the ZED allegedly works where you truly understood what was being said.  I can draw an analogy to the back and forth discussions between beginners in electronics where both parties are seemingly having an interesting discussion about a circuit, but I can't make head or tail of what they are talking about.  They regularly use concepts and have a lingo that is outside the realm of real electronics.  It's like they have made up there own pseudo technical language to describe how electronic circuits operate.  It may sound convincing to another newbie reading the conversation, but to my trained ear it's in reality nonsensical pseudo technical gibberish that means next to nothing.