Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.

[Red_Sunset]

Hi,
  thanks for your response. Are we saying that the apple is tossed in an arc so there is some reaction vertically? I was assuming that it was shuttled horizontally giving only lateral force.

Minnie,  TinselKoala,
Can you expand on the curve of the arc, so I can determine at which point in the apple trajectory did Adam capture the apple and took his bite?
I can not see how with an horizontal shuttle, he would still be able to intercept the apple in time using front teeth only.
And what does he do after 4 hours of eating apples, when he has eaten too much apple?, spit, spat or stop the see-saw ?
I think you make this unnecessary too complicated

[minnie]

Hi Red_Sunset,
                       I think you've finally got it, when all the apple has gone it stops.

[Xaverius]

Xaverius,
I agree, that is what you see as a standard, of the cuff view. I agree that your view is a natural logical and linear deduction "within the box", but logical CAN NOT produce OU,  200yrs of foolish trying has proven that already.

In the case#2 example, for simplicity, it was clearly said that an assumed "hypothetical" piston was used that had the capability to morph into that into that property. The morphing is an engineering aspect. 
The reason that Seamus thinks that the inventor is deluded I can reasonably understand only because he can not visualize how this impossibility can realistically exist.  The book "Anarchy in Science", the reference I posted a while ago, gives you a good overview on how many theories, concepts and inventions were ridiculed by their peers over the centuries. Only because the recipient ear & brain can not yet process the information presented, it is not unlike a religious conversion because strong preconceptions and indoctrinations have to be put aside first to open the mind (that takes time)

If we go back to Wayne's posts, he says that he can produce a lift of 2500lb with 5psi, when increasing the psi with 60%, he lifts 7500lb.  Normally this relationship should be linear (pressure x area), but obvious what he is describing isn't,  increasing the pressure from 100 to160%, increases the lift by 300%.  Impossible in the normal "in the box sense", absolutely !.

As described by Wayne, the special effects are not exactly "space, time", only multiple masses occupying the same space at the same time and a relationship distortion due to virtual appearance are the main effects that drives the OU capability.
Addon >>The Travis effect is also possible because of the piston unique structure. The combined " riser surfaces" gathered into one assembly does not equal the sum of these "riser surfaces" if used separated from each other. The stacked water column configuration in the combined structure produces a unique relationship, from a parallel to serial but the lift remains parallel  << addon

There is nothing I could add to Wayne explanation, the pictures posted, or the animation on the web site. 
Only the penny of realization and comprehension in your thinking mind need to drop, it will come, give it time, persistence pays !

It seems to me that the input pressure locked together with a smaller surface Area.  This smaller Area then exerts more Pressure on the same Volume of fluid.  This Mass of water then moves the given Distance, although in a narrower channel.  This implies that the input channel would have to be higher than the output channel.

[TinselKoala]

Hi,
  thanks for your response. Are we saying that the apple is tossed in an arc so there is some reaction vertically? I was assuming that it
was shuttled horizontally giving only lateral force.

It's a thought experiment, Minnie. As the seesaw is passing thru horizontal on the way to the travel stops (Zed high, Dez low or vice versa) the apple is tossed. If it's in an upward arc, there is a reaction vertically down at the thower. The receiver gets this same reaction vertically down when she catches it. The transit time of the ball is short compared to the oscillation period of the see saw. There is inertia. Once the apple is caught by the rising child at the horizontal position, she has plenty of time to take a bite out of it as inertia carries her and the apple up to the top stop. She has one bite of apple in her mouth and the rest of the apple in her hand. She sinks due to the apple-cation of the full weight of the apple. As she passes through the horizontal point she tosses the remains of the apple over to Zed. It doesn't matter if it's an arc or a straight horizontal pass. If it's an arc she is transferring some work to the other side, and that work came from her breakfast. Simpler to IMAGINE, since it's a THOUGHT EXPERIMENT, a horizontal work-free transfer.
The purpose of thought experiments -- which always incorporate ideal, not achievable elements in part, is to try to figure out consequences that would happen if you _could_ achieve the ideal elements.

[TinselKoala]

Minnie,  TinselKoala,
Can you expand on the curve of the arc, so I can determine at which point in the apple trajectory did Adam capture the apple and took his bite?
I can not see how with an horizontal shuttle, he would still be able to intercept the apple in time using front teeth only.
And what does he do after 4 hours of eating apples, when he has eaten too much apple?, spit, spat or stop the see-saw ?
I think you make this unnecessary too complicated

I think you are being deliberately obtuse.

Now that Webby has said that the initial charge of pressure/water is added AFTER the precharge setup, and it is this what starts the system going... it should be clear that my analogy is EVEN MORE APT than before. The setup precharge puts the kids on the seesaw and balances them. That initial charge that starts up the system is the apple. What happens to it?

Instead of your mocking response, why do you not refute the points: The individual Zed is balanced around its neutral buoyancy point and it takes only a small effective weight change to make it rise and sink. This is like adding an apple to one of the kids. The Dual Zed system has in the animation, a visibly working set of parts that do just this very thing. This is like tossing the apple back and forth at the right time for feedback oscillation. (Do you understand amplifiers and how they oscillate?) If the apple is consumed (by eating, half winding up in each stomach, or by spitting it overboard a bite at a time) the kids stop rocking.......

SO.. .What happens to that initial load of pressure/water that webby says starts the system, after the setup precharge?     
Maybe it takes four hours for it to wind up equalized in the stomachs of the two Zeds.



@mondrasek: If you are able to start at state A at the bottom, then put a weight on at the bottom, lift it, remove the weight at the top, sink and recover back to the original state A without input of further work, leaving the lifted weight at the top... what is preventing you from lifting all the weight in the world, work free, a little at a time? There is either something wrong with how you are describing what you are doing, or with how I am interpreting your description... or you already have a COP infinity device in your workshop.