Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.

[TinselKoala]

Hey Minnie..... you think Mister Wayne answered your question.... but his answer was speculative. I don't think you'll be pouring a slab for the base of your new Hydro Differential Pressure Exchange Overunity 10 kW power plant based on what he's told you. Will you?

Mister Wayne never lies. He says so himself, so it must be true.

(He just says things that don't turn out to be correct, or are just wrong in the first place, like his last accusation against me which I refuted easily by quoting the passage from his website where he does _not_ explain "in the next line"... or anywhere.. how his "efficiency" of 960 percent was obtained).

So ask him these questions, Minnie -- and see if you get a straight, simple answer:

Do you, Mister Wayne Travis, have at this moment, Tuesday November 13 2012, an OPERATING DEVICE -- one that operates right now -- running on NO INPUT, that produces USEFUL WORK OUTPUT , electrical or otherwise, for a reasonable length of time, say, long enough to heat up a standard water heater tank and provide hot showers for four people? If so, what are the "footprint" dimensions of this device?

Do you now at this moment have... or have you EVER HAD..... an operating device that produces an output of 10 kW, running on NO INPUT, for any length of time at all? If so, what is the "footprint" of this device? What is the nature of its output (electrical, mechanical, heat, etc?)

I'm going to make a wild guess here.... actually not so wild.... and say that the actual answers to these questions are "NO"... and "NO".


Imagine how easily I could be refuted for asserting this "trash".  Why, another paragraph or two of insults, dodges, and mockery should do it soundly, right, Red?

[mrwayne]

Oh really? I think you are a liar, Mister Wayne, because here are a few more lines of the passage where I got the NINE HUNDRED SIXTY PERCENT quote on efficiency from your website:
http://mrwaynesbrain.com/index.php/current-objectives

Please point out to me just where, in the next line, you explain how you calculate efficiency.

Get the picture? Mister Wayne needs a scapegoat to divert attention from his failure to produce evidence of his claims. So he makes up things about me, apparently out of whole cloth. Pun intended.

See3d is right.
"Head trip"
Moving on.

[TinselKoala]

What an interesting post from Red_Sunset. He's turned paranoid!

What is so interesting of the phenomen, as seen here as it is taking place here under our own noses ? It typifies a common human behavior that shows how the mind is so dominantly influenced by our emotions and other underlying usualy benefit interests.
The topic subject appears to be a pure science matter, if it would be that only, there would be no problem. But this science has great beneficial financial implications and this changes the playing field dramatically. It explains the rush of the last 100 posts in the last 2 days.

Great beneficial financial implications.... explaining the rush of posts. Of a PURE SCIENCE MATTER. Odd, that "science" is mentioned in this context. Science, as it is practiced in the real world of scientists, proceeds very differently than the operation of Mister Wayne and his cohorts.  There is nothing of Science happening here. Where is the sharing of data, the rigorous testing of falsifiable hypotheses, the peer review and publication of information? Where is the straightforward response to challenges to produce data which supports the claim? You non-scientists who think that by shouting out "SCIENCE" when you get muddled really do upset me, because you give Science a bad name simply by your attempts to associate your pseudoscience tinkering with actual scientific investigation. But Red is talking about _financial interests_.

Why do I think that ?  Purely by watching the behavior flow.  It still puzzles me WHY someone who doesn't believe in the concept presented or its execution to be a working possibility, after stating his belief, REMAINS SO VEHEMENTLY domineering on this topic ?  WHY ?  What is his interest ?  What can he gain to stay here and what can he loose to leave ?
I think it is time we investigate certain individuals to their connections and interest domains.  This might be quite a eyeopener.

Am I reading this right? Is the paranoid Red_Sunset actually calling for an investigation of skeptics who want to see evidence for claims of overunity? Certainly I agree that investigation might produce results that would be "quite an eyeopener". Let's bring it on. Investigate where Mister Wayne's financial backing comes from, for example. Investigate where the "simple three layer system that is clearly overunity by itself" went off to, and why it cannot be shown or discussed. Investigate the motivations of Red_Sunset, who seems like a shill if there ever was one.
Or even investigate ME. What will happen when you realise that I have no financial interest, no stake at all in anything, no funding and not even enough money to put together a bunch of discarded packing material to demonstrate overunity on a tabletop? What will happen to your paranoid accusations then, Red? Will you apologise to me, or will you continue to insult me, project your paranoid fantasies, and yet _fail_ to demonstrate the validity of any of your or Mister Wayne's claims?

I believe that " WE NEVER DO SOMETHING WITHOUT REASON",  The more difficult this something is, the stronger the reason. The most common reason is financial benefit !

This brings up some pertinent questions
Why does this behavior manifest here?

Why indeed. Mister Wayne definitely has a financial motive. What is Red_Sunset's financial motive? And finally.... what is MY financial motive? Can anyone show how I would gain, materially, from ANY POSSIBLE OUTCOME of this discussion?  Do you lot really think that someone is PAYING ME to sit here and point out the inconsistencies, false statements, and lack of proof coming from Mister Wayne?  Come on Red.... give some support for your paranoid contention that there is a well paid organised conspiracy to suppress Mister Wayne and his invention.... by assigning me to make posts on an internet forum. Yeah.... that will work, it's kept every other Free Energy technology from reaching the market so far!

Who are domineering this thread ?
What is their target to be domineering?
What is their purpose to act as they do ?
I there more to their behavior than just technical or emotional enthusiasm ?
Do they have something to gain by acting in a specific way?
What is their possible short and long term perceived benefit by their action?
........ect  feel free to add on points of interest as you see fit

I laugh at you, Red_Sunset. Who is paying YOUR salary?

[mrwayne]

So that's a "no", then. You cannot refute any of the points I've made, so you prefer to continue with your personal attacks upon me, your insults, your foul language and mud slinging.....

I say that you are a hypocrite.

Choosing not to refute bogus claims  - does not make those claims true - were tire of them - were moving on.

[TinselKoala]

See3d is right.
"Head trip"
Moving on.

Wayne Travis, you accused me of not citing the complete quote where you "CLAIM" to have explained where your 960 percent value came from.  Did you or did you not?

p.s. the quote on efficiency that TK posted from my web site - he conveniently left off the next line which explained how we calculated efficiency - get the picture - he needed a story, he wrote a story - pun intended. Wayne Travis

So I cited the COMPLETE PASSAGE where I found your number, along with the link. This citation refutes your accusation, because NOWHERE in that passage is any explanation of how you arrived at your 960 percent figure. Here it is again in its entirety. No lines have been left out by me.

Creative Entropy Disruption 
November 6, 2012 Hello Friends and Family, We are having a blast! Let me ask you a couple of questions...... Do you feel a sense of urgency in our development? Have you waited long enough, are you ready to be done with all of the improvements and obstacles, are you ready for the internal validation, and the external validation? Me too! Some of you are new to our team - I will be the first to admit - I was eager to "jump the gun" four years ago. I had to grow up to the reality that due diligence is more important than feelings, the need for due diligence trumps desire, it trumps time-lines. That maturity does not mean that I do not still wish for all of this work to be finished and over - I assure you. Mark Dansie has taught me one thing "It will be when it will be" on the surface it seems too simple of an explanation - but a little deeper - it means "do not rush or be pressured by desires - yours or others .. focus on your diligence". Mark is right, and thank God that Mark is the skeptic that gives advice - I receive continual bad advice from others - that if I followed - we would have presented to the world our unfinished work - to meet their ego - not the needs of our business and future relationships. Mark advised me - that in order to get the right help - we needed to attract the right people - with the right connections - and that "WE" needed to supply the right answer to the energy question. I decided that 160% was not good enough - and considering our latest physical testing of our TAZ is 960% - I think the timing is just about right. Now we are buttoning up the details - part of every improvement we have made - we are getting pretty good at it with all the great people who volunteer. So the feeling to finish - will be meeting the "due diligence" as soon as possible. After last weeks update - one of the validation members asked me not to publish their schedules - and I will respect that wish. It is only the small things that we wrap up now - I read a quote that said: "Whomever can not be bothered with the small things, should not be considered worthy to handle the large things". (ask an astronaut if the small things matter) Yes they do - that is the purpose of due diligence. Remember - if you are a member of our team, please feel free to come by for a personal update - get your picture for posterity, or write me - I still answer e-mails each morning. Thank you for the many letters and prayers - I mentioned in our last private update about helping setup our hands on ZED discovery cove / Omni plex - for the ZED technology and development. We have the building donated - and we could use some hands on model builders to help put together some of the experiments we did over the last few years that helped us to understand the ZED Technology - I think this will go a long way to help those that will come. I had a gentleman share with me today that his granddaughter was entering the "Travis Effect" in her science fair - the word is getting out! Thanks again for the prayers. Wayne Travis
President
HydroEnergy Revolution LLC

http://mrwaynesbrain.com/index.php/current-objectives

Hence, you ....er..... said something about me that is not true, and I've proven that it is not true. Your response is as above, noted.

On this side of the river, Mister Wayne...... saying things about people that are manifestly untrue makes YOU a LIAR.

Pun intended.