Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.

[powercat]

http://hydroenergyrevolution.com/index.php/current-objectives
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Validation:
so after I have our internal validation finished - I will report to the 'Investors Only' group
How far are we from finishing our internal Validation?
we will run rough shot - to see if we missed something - and then we will dial in - this will take at least two days
but from experience - lets give it 9 days.
We will be having extended runs during these 9 days and we will be making video's.
We may wait to send them out to external media -after Mark has come.

[LarryC]

@All who PM'ed me for Invite.

All my invites yesterday went okay. But it appears that the new ones today, didn't make it. I just rentered them and checked the activity list. So anyone, I PM'ed back that it was done and doesn't receive it soon, PM me again.

Thanks, Larry

[TinselKoala]

http://hydroenergyrevolution.com/index.php/current-objectives
I'm now posting this edited version of Wayne's words if you would like to see the original please use the above link
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Validation:
so after I have our internal validation finished - I will report to the 'Investors Only' group
How far are we from finishing our internal Validation?
we will run rough shot - to see if we missed something - and then we will dial in - this will take at least two days
but from experience - lets give it 9 days.
We will be having extended runs during these 9 days and we will be making video's.
We may wait to send them out to external media -after Mark has come.

I see he claims "patent pending" for the Rotary Zed. What is the number of the patent application for this device, I'd like to look it up.

We had next system - the Rotary ZED - which is 'Patent Pending" reviewed carefully (one of our extended professional members whom I trust wholly), and he has added some valuable insight in protecting and improving or adding to the protection of our IP. He was very impressed - and that is great news to my ears confirming the excellent quality we have with out patent team members at Dunlap and Codding - great job men. If you need a great patent attorney - give them a call. This means that our team members have more quality IP - more value, more markets, and most of all - we are preparing a better IP package for our customers.

I sure hope this means that he's actually filed a patent application. What is the number of the application?

From the Wiki:

United States In the United States, according to the United States Patent and Trademark Office, the expression "Patent Pending" as such does not protect an invention until the actual patent is published and/or issued:
"A patentee who makes or sells patented articles, or a person who does so for or under the patentee is required to mark the articles with the word "Patent" and the number of the patent. The penalty for failure to mark is that the patentee may not recover damages from an infringer unless the infringer was duly notified of the infringement and continued to infringe after the notice. The marking of an article as patented when it is not in fact patented is against the law and subjects the offender to a penalty. Some persons mark articles sold with the terms "Patent Applied For" or "Patent Pending". These phrases have no legal effect, but only give information that an application for patent has been filed in the Patent and Trademark Office. The protection afforded by a patent does not start until the actual grant of the patent. False use of these phrases or their equivalent is prohibited". ^[5] The use of the term "patent pending" or "patent applied for" is permitted so long as a patent application has actually been filed. If these terms are used when no patent application has been filed it is deemed as a deceptive act and a fine of up to $500 may be imposed for every such offense.^[6] Under the current interpretation of "offense", each mis-marked article constitutes an offense, which permits theoretical damages in the hundreds of millions of dollars for high-volume consumer goods.^[7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent_pending
(emphasis mine)

So what's the number of the patent application for the Rotary Zed?

[powercat]

Indeed you did, vague,, indeed I am

The lift set I reported that had me excited, that was over a dozen or 3 cycles, no water loss no air loss nothing, until I dropped the lift mass back on and blew the air out from under the risers.

The numbers I reported for lift distance were rounded down, the actual lift average was almost 1\8 on an inch higher, the reading was just under the line on my scale, the actual lift weight was 1 lb 9 oz as measured on my gram\lb scale later, the actual fluid used was 58g and at 2\3 descent of the reservoir it was half full,, the sink weight was also smaller, it was 4 1\2 oz by my scale later.

So the later weight measurements are fine for me but those were not done right before, during or immediately afterward so I felt they would be non-valid,, you don't clean up find your scale and then measure things,, bad science, sloppy.

So you do the math cause if I do it it will be called wrong or creative, use the first set of numbers I posted and use the 2\3 drop for a half full reservoir,, that is clear OU in my opinion.

EDIT:   SHOOT I forgot to include the 3 oz metal spacer I was using for the sink cup, coming down so close to the retainer I could not get my fat fingers in to hold the risers still, the lift was no problem hold it over bring the risers up then slide it on all the way.

No input figures of the Pre charge which is now an old argument from many pages ago and
as you admit yourself you were not set up for testing, you have quoted many different
figures it makes it difficult to have trust in any of them, here are 3 links to some
of your numbers and this one I will post in full below.
http://www.overunity.com/10596/hydro-differential-pressure-exchange-over-unity-system/msg331415/#msg331415
http://www.overunity.com/10596/hydro-differential-pressure-exchange-over-unity-system/msg335735/#msg335735
http://www.overunity.com/10596/hydro-differential-pressure-exchange-over-unity-system/msg338293/#msg338293

Quote from: webby1 on September 14, 2012, 11:40:47 PM

I am thinking that I have overstated the height that I need to lift the reservoir, as well as the drop in height before the unloaded risers sink.

I was paying closer attention today to the reservoir, I had to lengthen the hose for more pressure and I noticed a rather large delay in the water going down the tube when the reservoir was empty, overfilled the reservoir and moved it very slowly and the heights I was raising it to were lower, and then the drop was also much less.

So PATIENCE is another important piece you will need to build into any unit you make

TBZED seems to prefer a slow fill, small pipe, and a large pipe for discharge, rate is not so much but the large pipe,, no idea as to why that would be.

Lift weight for today has been 480g removable 190g left on riser for 670g total, stroke has been between 10mm to 25mm but with the big mass I was keeping to the 10mm most of the time, 25mm and it was easy to blow water at the end.

When I was using the 180g removable and the 90g left on riser for a total of 270g the precharge fluid was 7g, when using the 670g the precharge fluid was 20g, these brought the risers back up to the rest position, it was easier to put the mass on and then bring it back up than to try and hold still and bring the risers to hold.

Just some useless numbers,

409g 90g left 10mm lift AFTER PRECHARGE 20g water lifted 140mm.

480g 172g left 10mm lift AFTER PRECHARGE 20g water lifted 205mm

These were done several times each and stayed within a few mm + -

Today I have many more that were really bad,, several that were less than 30% most were around 80%

Those of us who try and take a scientific approach might turn a blind eye to your dubious figures
If other successful replications showing clear overunity had followed in your footsteps,
looking back through your posts I can see you tried really hard to get the other builders to
achieve the same result. Also why aren't we seeing other successful replications on the
Internet, Wayne's information is posted in other sites as well.

how many times have we seen this common mistake from people claiming overunity based on
poor measuring techniques which make them so convinced they've done it
I have witnessed this a number of times on this forum, and eventually it comes down to
can you make a self-runner ? now the big question is has MrWayne made a mistake since
We have not seen proper scientific evidence of a self-runner,all he gives is excuses
and delays, and let's not forget his henchmen Red who attacks anyone that has doubts.

Why don't all you believers click the (ignore) setting and avoid ever seen any posts
from any sceptic ?  But some of you would rather run away and hide.

[mrwayne]

No input figures of the Pre charge which is now an old argument from many pages ago and
as you admit yourself you were not set up for testing, you have quoted many different
figures it makes it difficult to have trust in any of them, here are 3 links to some
of your numbers and this one I will post in full below.
http://www.overunity.com/10596/hydro-differential-pressure-exchange-over-unity-system/msg331415/#msg331415
http://www.overunity.com/10596/hydro-differential-pressure-exchange-over-unity-system/msg335735/#msg335735
http://www.overunity.com/10596/hydro-differential-pressure-exchange-over-unity-system/msg338293/#msg338293

Quote from: webby1 on September 14, 2012, 11:40:47 PM
Those of us who try and take a scientific approach might turn a blind eye to your dubious figures
If other successful replications showing clear overunity had followed in your footsteps,
looking back through your posts I can see you tried really hard to get the other builders to
achieve the same result. Also why aren't we seeing other successful replications on the
Internet, Wayne's information is posted in other sites as well.

how many times have we seen this common mistake from people claiming overunity based on
poor measuring techniques which make them so convinced they've done it
I have witnessed this a number of times on this forum, and eventually it comes down to
can you make a self-runner ? now the big question is has MrWayne made a mistake since
We have not seen proper scientific evidence of a self-runner,all he gives is excuses
and delays, and let's not forget his henchmen Red who attacks anyone that has doubts.

Why don't all you believers click the (ignore) setting and avoid ever seen any posts
from any sceptic ?  But some of you would rather run away and hide.

No my friend - we have plenty of good skeptics on our team - we are just tired of interuptions by less than respectful people.
You and a few others blew your oppurtunity to be part of this New Energy Frontier.
p.s.    We have not run away - Arrogance, Ego, Ignorance, Obscurificatiousness, and U ---  have been discarded.
Wayne