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[ElectricGoose]

MIT Plasmatron & Arvin Meritor

The “plasmatron” ( a plasma source having coaxial cylindrical electrodes with a swirling gas flow to ameliorate electrode erosion) was invented in Russia in the 1970′s.
The inventor, Rabinovich, was able to find a job at MIT and, when H2 generation/fuel conversion/NOx removal was at a rage, worked w/Cohn & Bromberg at MIT on a plasmatron for fuel conversion and generating H2 reductant for NOx removel.

Arvin Meritor became an industrial backer of the device, hoping to find a large market for it. People wonder ‘What ever became of the MIT/Arvin Meritor plasmatron?’ â€" it seemed to work so well.

No conspiracy here: the device did work well for short periods of time; however, for reasonable operating times required of industrial/automotive devices, the MIT plasmatron made bunches and bunches of soot â€" very undesirable to inject into an engine or a NOx-removal system.

Discovering this, Arvin Meritor promptly dumped MIT and withdrew funds for subsequent work.

If one looks at Cohn et al work at MIT in the past few years, they have moved on to advanced ethanol engines â€" or whatever else is the rage at the time.
Dr. Louis Rosocha
Applied Physics Consulting
Los Alamos, NM
&
22+-year Alumnus/Retiree of the Los Alamos National Laboratory

I'm aware of this piece of information.  However, it is MISLEADING and at least a good part inaccurate.

YES - if you dont tune a plasma system well you end up with 'clogging deposits' however is this not the same if you run your car 'rich' and badly tuned on gasoline???!!

THINK...

Plasma works and MUCH better than Gasoline.  100 times better.

[ElectricGoose]

RM

You don't have to go to the trouble of machine 'rifling' something to induce a vortex.  NEITHER do you require electrical current to make plasma.  Plasma exists in nature induced by many states of energy. 

You already have an abundance of information and and have yet to even start on a solid path.  Here is one more piece of information that makes HHo disassociation viable WITHOUT electrical current!  Heating a metal catalyst to beyond 1000C will instantly split steam into HHO.

Hmmm...sounds familiar but where?  Thats what is happening inside the geet!

Here is a patent for a 'diesel' fuel injection plug that works with water.  The water hits the heated catalyst and instantly turns to gas, then explodes.

http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20080271706

  ARE YOU THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX YET?? 

When I said there were MANY ways to make water fuel, I wasn't kidding.  This isn't even the cherry yet.

You have enough information to think and do something.  If you do nothing, its not from lack of having been informed.

Best

[evolvingape]

Mr Goose,

I never suggested anyone go to the trouble of machining rifling, which is a pain in the ass to do and requires specialist equipment. Not once in any of my designs have I suggested people need to do this. The point I was making is that vortex induced spin is known to stabilise fluid flow. However it is interesting that you chose this point to nit-pick. Desperate ?

I also never suggested that electrical current is the only way to create a plasma state. I am well aware that there are other ways to do it. Please stop implying words into my mouth.

Yes, your right there is an abundance of information now, however, was that information available all those years ago when I made the decisions that set my direction ?

I think that the designs and theory I have written about clearly show that I was on a solid path based upon the information I had at the time I made my decisions. I have gone to great lengths to document the materials, methods, components and theory required to build my designs and pursue a technology tree that has up to now only been available to the military industrial complex.

I believe it is also now reasonable to expect that the majority of people on this forum can actually feel confident that they can attempt to build a Plasma Detonation Turbine, which before I came along was a vague concept whispered quietly amongst a few, if at all.

You have provided a wealth of very interesting information and there is no denying that, however you seem to have returned to your habit of teasing people about “the secret” you alone know. Is this a vain egotistical attempt at intellectual superiority ?

This cherry you speak about, am I correct in assuming that you have researched and theoretically established the “solid path”, headed into the workshop and built it, proven it, drawn up the designs so that it can be easily replicated by humanity, and will be releasing it shortly ?

That really would be the goose laying the golden egg. Anything short of that will just be lot's more clucking!

RM

[ElectricGoose]

RM

You wake up on the wrong side of the Universe this morning?    You have to realise by now that despite the technology of emoticons (which I don't use enough), people tend to read posts/email/correspondence and impart their own 'mood' into the text which you have clearly done.

I was not nit picking, just making observations and if you take it otherwise, I can't do anything about that.  This is meant to be an open banter isnt it?

As regards my comment about the 'cherry', your interpretation is a leap to the far side from which it was intended.  It was my way of emphasizing " what we are talking about is great, but there are a plethora of other real solutions to utilizing water as fuel".

Now I shall ask that you don't impute bad motives on my part OK.     All is good!  Not everything written has sinister or nastily maligned intentions my man!

You have a great day.

[evolvingape]

Hey Mr Goose,

Funny you should mention it but yes I did wake up on the wrong side of the Universe this morning. I think it has to do with the Plasma Injector and the finishing of the release of all my work. I had not planned to do it in this manner or at this speed, but as usual the Universe disagreed with my timescales and it ended up coming to fruition in this thread. In hindsight this is not such a bad thing.

I can be cranky sometimes and I do tend to bite if I perceive people as attempting to take the piss out of me. I think it comes from a decade existing in a tiny room talking to myself. Does wonders for the sanity! 

Thanks for clearing up my mis perception, I don't want to fall out with you, your contribution has been most note worthy to the movement in general.

On another note I have almost finished the Kelly Kettle conversion to a gasifier, so hopefully I can show you all next week if it works!

RM