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    "I suddenly find myself liking  Mr. electric Goose
    What would be a good surfactant for diesel??
    Do you have any links to study?"

    Thanks
    Chet


Chet my dear Fellow

I said EMULSIFIER not SURFACTANT.  They are not entirely the same and certainly will not help you in the fuel 'alloying' stakes.

Read up on OIL EMULSIFIERS and in particular, look for an organic emulsifier (plenty of them).  All you need it to do is bond the water droplets around a glob of oil fuel and bingo you have super fuel more explosive than diesel itself.  Just google it....I'm not doing a 'Tito' here and toying you along.  I have given you a simple answer, Im just saying that you should research a little yourself to aid education.  Its all easy to find.

@Everyone - I have said this before.  OU has been presented on forums many times and yet it goes ignored, unnoticed or whatever.  I am pretty sure one of the biggest obstacles to REPLICATION is that 1) people dont read properly and follow the instructions to the letter and 2) There is a 'pre-mindset' of "I know better" and they are already altering the design without trying the original first!

I gave you guys two really SUPER SIMPLE suggestions and all I ask is that as a first step, you do exactly this - TRY IT AS SUGGESTED TO THE LETTER.  I promise you it works.  After you have it working....THEN try and improve on it.

Believe me, with some not so fancy alterations, you can get your 'water fuel alloy' mix down to VERY lean numbers (under 10% fuel).  This sure beats buggering around with stupid HHO where you are burning energy to get less out.

All the best.

ElectricGoose

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Oh hell, I'm in a less than grouchy and generous mood today 

Here is a patent that proves 40% oil/ 10% emulsifier/ 50% water is FACT.

Obviously this is a very technical document with an end product that is supposed to have a good 'shelf life' so don't read it and think "oh crap this is all too hard".  You can make fuel emulsion at home in your blender.

http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090313885

ElectricGoose

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Well Mr. Electris Goose
I think I actually do like you...........
And if you can get this idea to manifest in my Burner head of my furnace .......
I could actually learn to "love" you!!

Running different "soups through my engine [FI Diesel]without the benifit of "do this its good".,Is a little to dicey for my "budget" {this does all sound "pantone-esk]

But playing with a burner head and some "emulsifiers"  with a lasor therm
Till I get the right "recipe" that's doable !
{provided I don't go Abnormaly "Toxic" with emission }

This is all starting to sound very familiar ? Didn't some fellow from India get  a 90 -10 ratio [water to  fuel]running on some secret sause mix [patented]?
Part of The Trick being he got it to stay in solution !

your sudden "Benevolent" mood is greatly appreciated!

I hope you don't wake up "Cranky" tommorow!
Your friend
Chet

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@CHET:

You had it when you said Goose’s advice sounded very similar to Pantone.  It is exactly what Pantone is doing (bubbling air/exhaust gasses through the fuel) MINUS the reactor.  This is how Pantone was able to run a 4 stroke engine on raw crude oil.  If you guys followed Pantone’s free plans, you could run your cars off of raw crude oil just like Paul did.  Why just gasoline?  Cut out the middle man.  Why do you think Pantone was harassed so much in the U.S.?  Because the crooked major oil companies in the U.S. saw that Paul Pantone could make it possible for people to cut them out of the loop and render their refineries useless.  They need for you to need them.  They don’t want you to be able to refine your own fuel as you drive.

Once you are running your cars off of raw crude oil, you can eventually phase out ALL of the U.S. gasoline refineries who are screwing us all as they gouge us without any government protection like the lie Obama told to get elected where he promised windfall profit taxes he said he would impose on the U.S. oil companies that he pussied out of.

Now the biggest challenge will be buying raw crude oil from oil producing countries.  I do not know if this is or is NOT possible.  If it is NOT possible, then this would be something to run by presidential candidates (making it legal for us to buy direct from oil producing countries which will make them compete for our business again) in our upcoming 2012 elections.  I will vote for ANY (and I mean ANY) candidate who would enable people using this kind of technology to buy directly from ANY crude oil vendor.  If they want our votes, they will at least consider it.

This will make fuel more affordable and less polluting at the same time.  Paul Pantone gives away the plans and permission to build one unit per individual.  It would be a start at least.

In a prior post I stated that we needed oil but this was just a poor attempt at reverse psychology.  I apologize for this.

Oscar

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"your sudden "Benevolent" mood is greatly appreciated!

    I hope you don't wake up "Cranky" tommorow!
    Your friend
    Chet"


Chet

OK..its been a tough day but I have come home and I have a couple single malts under the belt plus a nice 78 Sangiovese....right now my benovolence knows no bounds so hang on to your hat.

My first wish is that 'you' (everyone) question everything.  This is a good thing.  Extremes are destructive in that, on one end you have the guru followers who simply believe what looks believable and on the end you have those who believe nothing (new) is possible.  I ask that you not believe what I (or anyone else) has to say carte blanche, BUT if it seems MILDLY feasable, entertain it long enough so as to test it yourself and prove to YOURSELF what the TRUTH is by EVIDENCE.  This is how I have conducted scientific experiments.  If you are honest and humble with your approach, the truth will be made self evident and eventually lead you to the answers you seek.

Now that I have stated this....lets get down to making some fuel.

Chet (and everyone)... you dont need raw heavy unrefined crude oil in order to make fuel emulsion.   Anything as 'light' as waste frying canola (vegatable) oil will do the trick.  Once you have a recipe down pat, you are only limited by your creativity.  Large and small fast food places PAY waste haulers to remove there old oil.  If you beffriend a local, hamburger joint with chip fryer, there is nothing that will stop you from taking a couple drums a week for a case of beer.

Think of OIL as the positive pole of the battery and the water as the negative.  The further these two are apart the better.  I mean by this, that the HEAVIER the oil, the more bang for your explosive buck.  Strictly speaking you can make a fuel emulsion with very thin oils, however the explosive 'expansive' power is less.

OK...now back to emulsifiers.  The only problem with an emulsion (end product water oil fuel combined) is that if you dont combine it properly it will start to separate in the fuel tank before it eventually gets to the engine.  You can get around this TWO ways.

1)  Have the Oil and water in separate tanks and combine them with a simple mixer JUST PRIOR to combustion.
2)  Prepare the fuel mix in a more stable manner where the shelf life is assured.

YOU are the experimenter and how you want to go about it is up to you.

IF you use an organic emulsifier Chet, you will have no worries of toxic emissions and in fact with the water combination you will virtually have no nitrous toxins to speak of normally associated with diesel or heavy oil fuels.

The ONLY MINOR changes you MIGHT have to make to a diesel system for emulsion fuel is  in the fuel pump.  Some like a certain viscosity or wont tolerate water.  I dont know ALL the systems and therefore can't say which will be ok on which for certainty.  Additionally...most diesel fuel systems have a in line water removal filter and this can be done away with.

Now about Gasoline bubblers - -

ElectricGoose