Overbalancing wheel

[Low-Q]

Hi All,
       I was thinking, if the device is set up properly, and it doesn't rotate, what would happen if the 'top-wheel'
was given a manual clockwise 'turn' ----------------- would it help?
Thinking along these lines, I wrote to a certain 'someone' ----------- whose name I won't mention right now,
who assured me, that if the device didn't 'lock up' in the first place, it WOULD help, and would carry on
rotating, regardless of the fact, the device never had any 'real' weights to begin with.
I'd like to know YOUR thoughts on this!

SPANG.                              (BILL.)

How can I find your drawing? I tried your link (in another thread), but cannot find anything. Could you email it to me so I can resize it and post it here?

Vidar

[SPANG]

Vidar,
      I've allready emailed them to you.  You should ALLREADY have them ------------- if not, I'll resend them
to you, on your private address.

BILL.

[Low-Q]

Vidar,
      I've allready emailed them to you.  You should ALLREADY have them ------------- if not, I'll resend them
to you, on your private address.

BILL.

Thanks. The picture attached here.

EDIT. ADDED TEXT FROM BILL:

           UPDATE ON 'FLOATING WHEEL/WEIGHT' SET-UP
                         ________________________________________

THE TOP-WHEEL MUST BE' LOCKED' FOR THE FOLLOWING TO TAKE PLACE!

ALL CHAINS ARE 'TAUT' TO START WITH.

THE 'FLOATING WHEEL/WEIGHT', MUST BE IN POSITION TO START WITH.
                          ________________________________________

'Lock' top-wheel.


'JACK'-UP, THE LARGER OF THE BOTTOM-WHEELS', ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE, THIS WILL LEAVE
THE OUTER-CHAIN
ON THIS SIDE, SLACK.

BY 'JACKING'-UP THIS WHEEL, IT WILL NOT EFFECT THE 'FLOATING WHEEL/WEIGHT'
---------WHICH IS
ONLY PARTIALY CONNECTED TO THIS BOTTOM-WHEEL ---------- ON ITS RIGHT-HAND SIDE ONLY,
(SEE DRAWING),
'CONNECTED TO THE BRIDGING-COG(S)'.

IT WILL THOUGH, LEAVE THE 'FLOATING WHEEL/WEIGHT', 'APPEAR' TO BE HANGING LOWER THAN
IT SHOULD BE.

THIS IS EASILY CORRECTED; BY LOOSENING OFF THE RETAINING NUT, AND TURNING THIS SMALL
TOP-WHEEL
CLOCKWISE, UNTIL 'IT', (THE 'FLOATING WHEEL/WEIGHT'), LINES-UP ITS 'BOTTOM', TO THE
CORRECT
ALLIGNMENT OF THE 'FIXED' SMALL CENTRAL WHEEL OF THE BOTTOM-WHEEL. THE LARGE
TOP-WHEEL, MUST BE
'LOCKED ' DURING THIS PROCEEDURE.

BY TURNING THE SMALL TOP-WHEEL CLOCKWISE, IT WILL LEAVE THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE OF THE
CHAIN HOLDING
THE 'FLOATING WHEEL/WEIGHT', SLACK, AND ITS LEFT-HAND SIDE TAUT.

THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE OF THE 'FLOATING WHEEL/WEIGHT', IS FIXED TO A 'BRIDGING-COG',
REGARLESS OF THE
FACT THAT IT STILL HAS A SLACK CHAIN ATTACHED TO IT. THIS IS BY COURTESY OF A
'DUPLEX' CHAIN.

TO KEEP THE LEFT-HAND SIDE OF THE LARGE WHEELS' CHAIN SLACK, A 'CRADLE' THAT LIFTS
THE LEFT-HAND
SIDE, IS PLACED IN POSITION AS SHOWN IN THE DRAWING.

THE 'CRADLE' ITSELF, HAS A SERIES OF TOOTHED  SPROCKETS, SMALL, ABOUT 8 'T'
('T'=TEETH) ON EACH
ONE. THE TEETH OF EACH SPROCKET, FIT INTO A 'DUPLEX' CHAIN, THAT GOES COMPLETELY
AROUND BOTH LARGE
WHEELS.

THE 'PIVOT-ROD' DOES NOT MOVE ------- IT SIMPLY ENGAGES THE TEETH OF THE SPROCKET(S)
AND REMAINS
MOTIONLESS.

ONLY THE 'JACK' MOVES ----- AND THAT'S ONLY TO LIFT THE 'CRADLE' ------ ONCE THE
'CRADLE' REACHES
THE REQUIRED HIGHT, IT STAYS STILL.

THE 'JACK' ITSELF, WILL ABSORB 12.5% OF THE TOTAL WEIGHT (DURING, AND
AFTER,'JACKING',) OF THE
'FLOATING' WHEEL/WEIGHT.

THERFORE, IF THE WEIGHT OF THE 'FLOATING' WHEEL IS 20kgs, 10kgs WILL GO TO THE 9
O'CLOCK POSITION
OF THE SMALL-TOP-WHEEL, 7.5kgs GOES TO THE 3 O'CLOCK POSITION OF THE LARGE
TOP-WHEEL, AND 2.5kg
TO THE 'JACK'(THAT SUPPORTS THE CRADLE, THAT SUPPORTS THE LARGE BOTTOM-WHEEL!).

I HOPE I'M RIGHT ABOUT ALL THIS!

THE BOTTOM-WHEEL, IS 'HELPED' TO ROTATE, BY THE POSITION OF THE 'FLOATING-WHEEL'
ITSELF!

REFER TO THE DRAWING -------- AT ALL TIMES!

UNLOCK THE TOP-WHEEL ------------------ IT SHOULD NOW ROTATE!

ANY FORCE THAT WOULD HAVE 'NORMALY' MANIFESTED ITSELF IN THE SLACK PART OF THE
LEFT-HAND CHAIN,
NOW MANIFESTS ITSELF IN THE 'JACK'! THEREFORE, IT PLAYS NO PART IN ADDING TO THE
FORCE ALREADY
MANIFESTING ITSELF, IN THE TOP-WHEEL.


GRAVITY IS NOT REQUIRED

[ramset]

Vidar
Thanks for posting "Spangs" work!

@Spang
Very cool concept  ,so simple in design but very deep in thought .......very interesting !
Can you offer a brief "How it works"??

Thank You
Chet

[SPANG]

Hi Chet,
          My thanks to Vidar also!  I did 'post' the text to this design, but it is not here.  I'll try, anyway;
Briefly then, the reason the design is the way it is, is to allow each chain to have forces that DON'T BALANCE,
when they reach the top-wheel,
so that when these forces DO reach the top-wheel, they' OVERbalance'.  Quite unintentionately, but VERY appropriately, I wrote a 'post' (#154), that applies to this type of design, and SHOULD be taken into
concideration, even though the 'post' itself, was not meant for THIS design. By-the-way, this design is one of
many I have, relating to this kind of thing!
Perhaps Vidar will also 'post' the text to this design ---------------- soon!
Hope this helps you ALL!
There is more to be said about this design, but I've tried to be as brief as I could.


SPANG.                               (BILL.)