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PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?

Started by JouleSeeker, May 19, 2011, 11:21:55 PM

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gauschor

Quote from: beno on June 10, 2011, 12:34:46 PMMaybe it is me but I miss a list of which "devices" that have a proven record for harvesting this "free energy" or whatever we call it.
The more simple the devices are to build, the better.

I'm also very interested in them :)

Tudi

Quote from: Pirate88179 on June 10, 2011, 11:59:54 AM
..I will never forget a post to one of my Youtube videos where a "Scientist" claimed that it took over $10,000 of energy to produce the transistor I was using. (2N3904)  Since I only paid like $.59 for it I guess someone is getting ripped off.  I am sure this fellow makes more money than I do,....go figure.
well there is a design phase, there is a HW simulation in software, there is a "matrix" / factory adjustments in order to produce it ( just think at it as a new software to control robots ). Once all this is done, the mass production costs litle. ( finished CPU design university... )

xee2

@ hyiq

The following circuit may not be measuring input power correctly. R1 should be in series with the battery. The way it is may work, but having the ground between the resistor and the battery can cause problems. With R1 in series with the battery there is no possibility for problems.


EDIT: You can just reverse the scope probes so that the ground is where the current sense point is and the current sense point moves to where the ground is. You will probably get the same readings, but it is a better way to do it.



LarryC

FYI, for those that don't know, the mean of instantaneous V * I as used by Dr Steven with the Tek scope can be obtained with much lower cost home scopes.

My RIGOL DS1025E has a math function, whereby instantaneous V * I can be displayed, but it does not give a mean or average value for the math trace like the Tek. However, it does have the capability to download Ch1 and Ch2 instantaneous values to a PC. Load these values into a spreadsheet and the mean of instantaneous V * I is easy to calculate.

Regards, Larry 

Tudi

Quote from: LarryC on June 11, 2011, 06:49:59 PM
FYI, for those that don't know, the mean of instantaneous V * I as used by Dr Steven with the Tek scope can be obtained with much lower cost home scopes.

My RIGOL DS1025E has a math function, whereby instantaneous V * I can be displayed, but it does not give a mean or average value for the math trace like the Tek. However, it does have the capability to download Ch1 and Ch2 instantaneous values to a PC. Load these values into a spreadsheet and the mean of instantaneous V * I is easy to calculate.

Regards, Larry
the question is the sampling rate for v * i. For example, a hardware arduino board has an internal clock of 16kHz. In case this circuit has a frequency of a couple of MHz then you are only sampling aprox every 1000th value. Far from precise enough(imagine the luck you are skipping 60% of the negative values). You might get lucky to tune in to some function like pattern for positive values for the osciloscope value smoothing ( avarage) function to aproximate a better value then it is actually.
This is why a simple collect and measure the amount principle works better even if the result is not so pleasing then a bad measurement.