PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?

[JouleSeeker]

Suggested efficiency test circuit. If AC output is suspected, reverse diode D1 and add output power with diode reversed to power not reversed to get total output power.

First -- I really like your ability to do the neat schematic diagrams, very clear.  Could I ask you to draw up in this fashion my hand-drawn circuit shown in post #2 of this thread??  Sure would appreciate it!  Will facilitate communications...

I see what you're doing in your test circuit, Xee2 --    filtering the input and output AC components (I think heavily, depending on C and R values) and using meters to measure current and Vout. Looks very much like the dual-DMM method of .99 discussed mostly over at OUR.  I would want to test this method against another method, such as the Cap/Stop-watch method we discussed yesterday.

Consider the input Power, first, using your method and the cap/watch method. 
We have some results today from Itsu, comparing these methods per my request (great guy to do this).

Let me just quote from my response to him at OUR on this method (see http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=853.msg14342#new ):

Itsu -- I just watched your latest vid:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7x2Y0gdXWQ&feature=uploademail

Quite well done.  Thank you for this research effort.
   You are using about 2Kohms for Rb, whereas I'm using 51Kohms for Rb, in the test I did yesterday (and see my post #1).  Pls try with about 51kOhms, and a red LED, would you?  could bring us more into line.
Notes:

1.  Yesterday, the dual - DMM method of .99 gave 34mW, today 18.7mW -- and you noted you had NOT changed the circuit.
Strange...  Does the DMM method give variable results?  or is it the circuit which changes?

2.  You did the Cap/stopwatch method and have some results -- interesting.  I attach a screen-shot of your results.
You say that the highest value is most in line with the DMM method, 12.2 mW.  Yes, but this still does not appear to agree with the dual-MM method, 18.7mW or 34mW.
Conclusion:  dual DMM-method vis-a-vis the cap/time method needs further checking.

Thanks again, Itsu.

And his latest response further indicates a problem with the DMM (meter) method:

Itsu writes:

Great, you found the video allready.

Yes, i agree, we have some differences between the 2 circuits, and indeed the dual DMM method creates different results all the time....

I will try to match the components as close as possible, starting with a new coil,[snp]

I replied:

"  This is significant!  please provide a few more examples of how this [dual-DMM method] varies, would you?  And then i hope for some comment from .99   

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[ghauff]

Hi,
   My attempt to replicate this circuit. What I can see is 67mV on a 1.5ohm resistor. The current  is flowing in the other direction for normal operation.
I used Rb=2K , Rr=1R5, R0=(5-10)k, Cb=141pF, H toroid 18 Winds bifilar 40mmOD 24mmID 17mmH,Q1 BC548,6V Battery,5mm Red LED.
The voltage across the battery is 6.3V.
I was thinking of using three 2.5 V 50Farad super capacitors and see if I can get the circuit the self run.

Thanks

[hyiq]

Hi Dr Jones.

I have replicated your Circuit. I have attached Pictures and the Calculator for others to use if they wish. I am getting COP = 2.5 at the moment. I think It may be a measurement error, but have checked three times and get the same result. Its early days for me and I will stay reserved at this point on my findings as there could be an error on my part. My goal is to make this self run like I mentioned but have not been able to make this happen yet.

I still think there is a 50/50 chance, but am convinced that some serious work will be needed to get a Bi-Polar Switch like Ron Cole/John Bedini's to make this run itsself.

All the best, and I will post more soon.

  Chris

P.S. My components are slightly modified compared to the schematic. Sense resistor = 1.5 Ohm. Load Resistor was changed also.I will post more information soon.

[JouleSeeker]

Hi Dr Jones.

I have replicated your Circuit. I have attached Pictures and the Calculator for others to use if they wish. I am getting COP = 2.5 at the moment. I think It may be a measurement error, but have checked three times and get the same result. Its early days for me and I will stay reserved at this point on my findings as there could be an error on my part. My goal is to make this self run like I mentioned but have not been able to make this happen yet.

I still think there is a 50/50 chance, but am convinced that some serious work will be needed to get a Bi-Polar Switch like Ron Cole/John Bedini's to make this run itsself.

All the best, and I will post more soon.

  Chris

P.S. My components are slightly modified compared to the schematic. Sense resistor = 1.5 Ohm. Load Resistor was changed also.I will post more information soon.

Thank so much for your work on this, Chris.  Cool -- and great diagrams also.

  I certainly understand your wish to remain reserved at this stage.  As I said, my claim is also "evidence for" at this stage, not "proof of" super-efficiency.  (I prefer the term "super-efficiency", n>1, to "overunity"; OU carries a lot of negative baggage unfortunately).  It occurs to me that you may be the first, or one of the first, to build a "proof of", and a "self-sustaining device" would do the job admirably.

I believe you will have to first rectify the output before you can feed it back into the input.  I have an idea how to do this; but I'm going to leave this to your ingenuity at this time (because I think your solution might be better than mine anyway, and partly because I'm going on the road with my wife right away).

My sincere thanks and best wishes,
Steven Jones

PS -- may I quote you to others?  and display your well-done schematic diagram?

[hyiq]

Hi Dr Jones,

I think at this stage my replication has too much room for error, so for this reason, may be best if I work a bit more on this first. Certianly after i get more results, that would be no problem.

All the best

  Chris