PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?

[BobTEW]

MAGNET REPULSION  The TWINKIES Theory.  A "novel energy" needs "novelty cake" for a simplified view. I view the magnet's forces like the twinkie, the yellow (baked/heat) cake as the "attraction force" and the white (injected/ cold) cream center the "repulsion force".  The two outside spheres are the "d" orbital electron cloud spheres; these being bulk dependant{OU}

[nul-points]

Steven

latest update on my SJ1 variant circuit with my DIY cell #5 as supply

after early discharge for first few hundred hours continuous operation of the SJ1-based LED flasher circuit, the cell terminal voltage has recharged to a slightly greater than initial value and now after 1000 hours operation it appears to be sustaining at that level
(please see graph below)

my control experiment with the 'sister' cell driving an equivalent load (fixed resistor) is starting to show a gradual discharge - i'll post that graph when i have data for a further week or so

so it appears that the dynamic load is necessary for the self-sustaining ability of these systems (my DIY cell #2 + my own LED flasher circuit has so far self-sustained since March - 5.5 months)

thanks
np


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[jbignes5]

Please drop by my topic Professor Jones and look at it for me. Don't pay attention to my rants but try to read the whole thing and see if you understand it. Thanks

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=11258.0

Jbignes5

[jan.kolar]

I will return to the beginning of this story. So far no one has explained discrepance between oscilloscope measurement of input power (10.04 mW) and measurement based on 40 mF capacitor discharging over 30 seconds (0.23 mW). This are pretty much different numbers. As a result also output power measured with oscilloscope is not reliable.
In my opinion oscilloscope based power measurements are quite accurate if some basic requirements are kept up namely:
1. Circuit should not contain frequencies higher than the oscilloscope can measure. Today practically all oscilloscopes on market are digitall which means they measure electrical signals by digitizing (sampling) them with high frequency. Nyquist-Shannon sampling theorem says that if you want to completely describe some analog signal with set of numbers, you must sample it with at least twice the maximum frequency component. So if signal bandwidth is 100 MHz, you must use oscilloscope with bandwidth at least 100 MHz (and sampling frequency 200 MHz). This condition can be forced by some sort of low-pass filter.
2. When measuring current indirectly by measuring voltage over resistor you should use calibrated resistor with very precise value. Beware that resistance value in 37 MHz range (looking at your waveforms) can be much higher from what you measure in DC range because of so-called skin-effect! Look at this table on wikipedia its relevant to our case:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skin_effect#Characteristics_of_telephone_cable_as_a_function_of_frequency
If possible you should measure current directly if oscilloscope gives this option.

[jan.kolar]

In my humble opinion skin-effect explains so called "over-unity" in Dr. Jones circuit. As all of you can see output current drawn in blue line (if i correctly interpret diagrams) has much higher frequency compared to input current. Higher frequency means higher skin-effect. So in reality output power can be 10x or so lower (say 15 times). Input current measurement is also biased but not so much because of lower frequency (say 5 times). So real numbers may be (just guessing):
input power - 2 mW
output power - 5 mW

Exact numbers depends on construction of resistors. So maybe real COP (coefficient of performance calculated as output power divided by input power) isnt 8 but only 2.5 (which isnt bad in principle).