Arguments against Muller design

[Mk1]

I wonder why someone would star this tread , it seems like some people are in conTroll mod.

I my self will to make a build from recycle materiel with a budget on 40 dollars.

Mark

[libra_spirit]

First Law of Thermodynamics

* The entropy of the universe tends to a maximum.

I remember back when I used to think this way! It's been a long time. LOL! You must "pay" to live on the planet you were born on. There is no free lunch! LOL!

So how does all that dispersed energy get back into the oil, back into the wood, and back into the sun???

Back into the atom, back into the electron in orbit around the atom, back into the earth such that it never misses it's yearly cycle to the nearest 1/4 second?

How does all that dispersed energy, get into the moon, so that moon keeps on moving and regulating our tides? Lot of power being released here especially with all that water on the earth rising and dropping some 6 to 12 feet twice a day. How does all that energy get there?

If all the energy in the universe was to disperse evenly throughout the space that is present, would this not constitute an Aether medium, having energy everywhere? To be scooped up for the asking.

I would suggest that your vision is narrow to only be considering that energy is always being dispersed, and never collected. Is there no free energy collector? From all that dispersed energy that is out there now?

The term "free" has to do only with money. Energy is everywhere all the time, as you state it is not lost only cycled between dispersal and concentration.

If we have a single copper atom, and a "free" electron. Now we drop that electron on that copper atom, what happens? Does that electron go into an orbit on the surface and attain a velocity of .9999999995 light speed?

Where did that energy come from? How did it get into that electron? How come we can do this over and over, and that "energy" just keeps being present there to accelerate that electron???

How come it takes a tremendous amount of energy to pull those little atoms apart? Is this not the opposite of entropy? It takes an atom bomb to stop those electrons protons and neutrons from doing that little dance of constant energy recovery.

Bang that electron with an external magnetic field and what does it do? It recovers its orbital structure the moment the impulse is gone. Where in the world did it get that recovery energy? How does it pay for that?

[conradelektro]

I wonder why someone would star this tread , it seems like some people are in conTroll mod.

I my self will to make a build from recycle materiel with a budget on 40 dollars.

Mark

@Mark: part of the OU forum is gossip, why not?

It is nice to be able to build something from recycle material. My worry is: If the rather expensively built http://www.mullerpower.com/ "The Muller Mark II" is not OU, how can a contraption be OU?

But that does not mean one should not try. One can build a rather crude steam engine or a simple conventional electric motor and both will demonstrate the underlying principle nicely. If OU exists, it should in principle be feasible with crude means. But if sophisticated means fail, the crude means will fail as well (if they are both based on the same principle).

Greetings, Conrad

[khabe]

Muller did not claim his machine is overunity, he told he believes self run day will come. As well as Bedini said honestly his device is not OU, just Battery Desulphator. There are just some third party, presumably bulk of interested persons, one who is getting back invested funds , others see just easy way to hornswoggle simple simons.
About these coils and magnets  there is no way to explain anything ... fanatic folks come at once to call names
I do not disapprove when some unenlightened wiseacre impersonates crackerjack, just funny.
I like and respect every kind of experiments included such kind buildings, what I do not like is lie, lying brings sooner or later to fake, fake is I hate. 
I have my personal opinion about current story and about the cadre. Perhaps no lyings, just medical question. Anyway sad.
cheers,
khabe

[AbbaRue]

I read a post once that the amount of cosmic radiation that strikes our earth 24/7 is enough to
light 200,000 hundred watt light bulbs for every man, woman, and child on the earth.
Also read that because of its extreme high frequencey; most of that energy passes right through the earth
and keeps on going.  So there is plenty of free energy all around us, we just need to find a way of taping into it. 

Also wanted to remind anyone reading this post that; all studies being conducted on high energy particles,
is conducted in particle beam accelerators.  These accelerators use high power magnetic pulses to control a
stream of particles and accelerate them around a track an faster and faster speeds, and then they
use magnetic fields to redirect these high energy particles into test chambers were they collide with each other
and other matter.  When these collisions take place there are billions of electron volts released by the collision. 

I mention these facts to remind people that the best possible way to extract free energy from the cosmos is
probably going to be with the use of strong magnetic fields arranged in a certain fashion. 
So I believe unquestionably that one day, someone will discover the right combination of magnetic fields that is
required to focus and extract some of that massive energy out there. 
So I will always have an open mind when it comes to claims of over unity from a magnetic device.

Just my 2 cents worth. Also please visit my science page and read my theory of how a star works:
http://abbarue.com/science/