Trawoeer Power Pyramid Version 12 - Electrical output from a homemade pyramid

[k4zep]

@Pascuser . Thanks for your long reply .However , I think you misunderstand me . When I say "show me " , that is exactly what I mean . I AM WILLING TO BE SHOWN . In we life we have to base our beliefs on experience . If we just accept and believe everything we are told , our lives would soon become impossible . We would spend all day stepping over fairies and reading horoscopes . I still find it incredible that no diviner has taken Randi`s $1000, 000 prize .When i built a pyramid , 5 years ago , TT made no mention of divining .
It did not work , and i felt bad because I had spent time and money I could not afford . So this time , I would like to see independent verification before I invest my very limited resources . Do you not think that is fair and reasonable ? Diviners claim to be able to do many things beside find water . Some claim to be able to find the bodies of missing persons , but I have yet to read about a case where it happened .OK I have already said too much . No one could be happier than me to see a working replica , so please respect that I will wait to be shown .
@K4ZEP .That info about the high voltage is much appreciated .Good luck with your work , and I look forward to your results .

Good morning Neptune. 

I'm a show me type of person too.  OF course, a good stage magician can show me anything he wants to and it is believable.  A bit of healthy skepticism is good and keeps us on a level keel. 

Thomas has been absolutely open with me, answers any of my questions in a straightforward manner and I feel wants verification by others to validate his work.  I am retired, not rich but unless the politicians totally screw up our country (USA) and or my wife and I have a catastrophic illness will be OK till we give it all to the kids when we kick the bucket.  The free energy quest is an outlet for my creative inner self, keeps me alert and alive.  The money I spend on "stuff" makes my wife huff and puff but then I remind her of her "little" expenditures and we laugh and realize how good life is!

My wire arrived yesterday but I have a road trip to IKEA with wife and sister-in-law today so not much will get done as those women and their shopping wear me out as I'm the official driver and donkey to move stuff back to the car!  Tomorrow is another day.  As Thomas is going to send me the copper/brass parts for the reactor along with wire to expedite getting a pyramid up and running, the reactor I am working on will be a secondary effort in "inch" material in my quest.  As I said before, it is the LITTLE things that are important, I'll try to discuss this more as time goes by and have hands on experience to verify everything.

To add further confusion to the process.  My #14 THHN wire is only 2.58 mm in diameter and my "new" #16 TF is 2.84 mm in diameter, as it is 600V wire, it's insulation is thicker!  So I'm going backwards.

Just for reference,   My small 3/8"  tube is 12.65 mm in diameter outside and 10.53 mm diameter on the inside.
                             My large  1 1/4" tube is 34.92 mm in diameter outside and 32.84 mm diameter on the inside.

That's all for today.

Respectfully
Ben K4ZEP

[Pascuser]

It did not work , and i felt bad because I had spent time and money I could not afford . So this time , I would like to see independent verification before I invest my very limited resources . Do you not think that is fair and reasonable ?

No problem at all! It's a good way to behave; I understand it completely.

For Randi Prize, you should find why nobody wins it when you read the conditions (he does not advertise them).

1) There is not an experimental protocol to follow for the one who is tested so he can prove he can do something that could not be. Instead of this, the one tested does his work, and if Randi can explain it in a way that the jury agrees it then the prize is not given.

What I want to say is: if you pick up someone pretending he is able to rotate a compass with his mind power, what is to be done for a scientific test is to have a compass, a magnetometer to register magnetic field around it; testing the hands and fingers with magnetometer to detect metal, magnetite, or other magnetic devices to cheat. Then you take all other dispositions you think cleverly able to detect a fraud.

Then you let the guy use his "mind power" and you see if it works or not. Then if it works, you have to give the prize since all has been done to avoid a fraud.

What Randi will do is not that at all: the guy comes, and a compass is on a table, and let's say that the compass move. Then Randi says: he must have used hidden metal inside his fingers to make the move to the jury. Then the jury agrees and the prize is not given. No protocol, no verification for metal, only Randi's word to say he can REPLICATE the same thing. Obviously I can replicate here too with a magnet in my hand; but with a protocol I can't use it.

2) You could then think that the jury won't accept Randi's explanations if not justified or proved! Then that is the other point: the jury has 6 members. But Randi has chosen 2 members himself (friends of him) and he is part of the jury. So him and his two friends, that's 3 guys. And the jury must vote 4 against 2 to not accept Randi's explanations. So his explanations can't be rejected.

So his "prize" is only to make people believe he is objective and nobody can do something he can't prove false. He secured the conditions so he will never have to pay the prize amount.

In France we have this kind of prize. There, conditions are a fraud too: the guy tested must pay first a large amount for a preliminary test; and then he must pay the move of the jury (15 guys) trough the France, and their housing and feeding during all the test period (8 days) and then if he succeeds he will never be refunded. You must pay thousands euros (15 000â,¬ approximately for the whole operation) to have the right to be tested and win a prize 200 000â,¬. But then if the jury is corrupted like in Randi case (they are friends together) they will never give you the prize and all money is burnt. If you have a real power then you will never do it to feed fraudulent people.

These prices are frauds designed to make nobody able to win. If they are designed like this, you can ask: why? Always find the conditions and you will see if the prize is honnest or not. I don't ask to believe me; just search yourself conditions. You can pretend you have a power to have the conditions and you will verify by yourself.

An honnest prize should be a test that you can do for nothing. You only go to a place where an experimental protocol has been designed and you only pay your travel to that place and you are tested. This is only in our imaginations; real tests aren't like this; they are designed to be frauds so they always run on.

[k4zep]

No problem at all! It's a good way to behave; I understand it completely.

For Randi Prize, you should find why nobody wins it when you read the conditions (he does not advertise them).

1) There is not an experimental protocol to follow for the one who is tested so he can prove he can do something that could not be. Instead of this, the one tested does his work, and if Randi can explain it in a way that the jury agrees it then the prize is not given.

What I want to say is: if you pick up someone pretending he is able to rotate a compass with his mind power, what is to be done for a scientific test is to have a compass, a magnetometer to register magnetic field around it; testing the hands and fingers with magnetometer to detect metal, magnetite, or other magnetic devices to cheat. Then you take all other dispositions you think cleverly able to detect a fraud.

Then you let the guy use his "mind power" and you see if it works or not. Then if it works, you have to give the prize since all has been done to avoid a fraud.

What Randi will do is not that at all: the guy comes, and a compass is on a table, and let's say that the compass move. Then Randi says: he must have used hidden metal inside his fingers to make the move to the jury. Then the jury agrees and the prize is not given. No protocol, no verification for metal, only Randi's word to say he can REPLICATE the same thing. Obviously I can replicate here too with a magnet in my hand; but with a protocol I can't use it.

2) You could then think that the jury won't accept Randi's explanations if not justified or proved! Then that is the other point: the jury has 6 members. But Randi has chosen 2 members himself (friends of him) and he is part of the jury. So him and his two friends, that's 3 guys. And the jury must vote 4 against 2 to not accept Randi's explanations. So his explanations can't be rejected.

So his "prize" is only to make people believe he is objective and nobody can do something he can't prove false. He secured the conditions so he will never have to pay the prize amount.

In France we have this kind of prize. There, conditions are a fraud too: the guy tested must pay first a large amount for a preliminary test; and then he must pay the move of the jury (15 guys) trough the France, and their housing and feeding during all the test period (8 days) and then if he succeeds he will never be refunded. You must pay thousands euros (15 000â,¬ approximately for the whole operation) to have the right to be tested and win a prize 200 000â,¬. But then if the jury is corrupted like in Randi case (they are friends together) they will never give you the prize and all money is burnt. If you have a real power then you will never do it to feed fraudulent people.

These prices are frauds designed to make nobody able to win. If they are designed like this, you can ask: why? Always find the conditions and you will see if the prize is honnest or not. I don't ask to believe me; just search yourself conditions. You can pretend you have a power to have the conditions and you will verify by yourself.

An honnest prize should be a test that you can do for nothing. You only go to a place where an experimental protocol has been designed and you only pay your travel to that place and you are tested. This is only in our imaginations; real tests aren't like this; they are designed to be frauds so they always run on.

Hi All

All I'll say is that WHEN I get it working, I will show volts, AC and DC/current/load/waveforms to the best of my ability. I will show basic setup procedures as to what I do to make it work.  I will also show how orientation effects the above results.  We I will then go over the VERY fine points in the construction in the reactor as applicable in this process.  So just hang loose, my world is not made in a day or a 30 min TV show.  It takes time to do this right.  I will also say that I will clear all of the above processes with Thomas before I make them public.  I don't want to waste my and others time beating a horse to make it run faster till it can!

Respectfully
Ben  K4ZEP

[neptune]

The purpose of this thread is the TT pyramid replication . I feel a bit guilty about taking up space with my non technical stuff . I hope that the moderator will delete my non technical posts if he thinks best . I have to admit that I have not read all of James Randi`s conditions . One problem I have with water divining is that it is not an easy thing to test . It is all very well for some guy to say "There is an underground river 80 metres below this point ." No one is going to dig 80 metres just to prove him right or wrong . If I am told that there are professional diviners making a good living , I have to believe you unless I can prove otherwise . You have never lied to me before . To me there is an important distinction to be made between the subjective and the objective . It is one thing to say "My pyramid produces 20 watts ." It is a different thing to say " if I sit inside my pyramid , I get a feeling of euphoria and spiritual enlightenment ."
      Too many of the worlds problems come from people believing what they are told without question . For example there are 2,557 religions practised on this planet . Every one of them claims to be the one true religion . 2,556 of them have to be wrong , and I have serious doubts about the other one . I am always willing to suspend my disbelief until a case has been proven to my satisfaction . It is my nature to show respect for people who do not share my beliefs . I am also an optimist , as any Free energy seeker must be . So let us all work together towards our common goal , and continue to treat each other with respect.When I see a working replica , I am quite willing to wander the local fields with a forked stick .But I want to see Watts , not whimsical notions .Again I say that I really am willing to be shown .Yours in Hope Respect and Optimism , neptune .

[Pascuser]

All I'll say is that WHEN I get it working, I will show volts, AC and DC/current/load/waveforms to the best of my ability. I will show basic setup procedures as to what I do to make it work.  I will also show how orientation effects the above results.  We I will then go over the VERY fine points in the construction in the reactor as applicable in this process.

Patience is the main word in this kind of work.

I went all the afternoon in 7 different shops: 4 do-it-yourself shops and 3 specialized shop for plumbing and I couldn't find the adapter for the inner copper tube 10mm external diameter and the other assuming it is 20mm internal diameter and 22mm external (there is a problem about this specification where information is contradictory, see later).

I could do the same adapter than Thomas with 3 different adapters assembled together; but this modifies the length of the adapter. So, as the distance between the two drills on the 10mm copper tube is what is important (and this distance depends on adapters length), I can't replicate this distance with 10mm spacing one side and 25mm spacing on the other side of the 29cm long tube; because my adapters have not the same length.

So it could be important to know this distance. And to avoid all these kind of troubles to be able to think ourselves how to dispose things it would be important to know the exact size of all pieces and placements (some are lacking).

The contradictory information is the following:
Concerning the outer copper tube of the reactor:

Video part 2 on 13 (youtube channel) ; time 01:13 TT says:
"the diameter is 29 - 30 mm"

Video part 6 on 13 (youtube channel); time 10:58 TT says:
"we have the 20mm you know and we have the double dimensions on the plastic tube"
the 20mm you point with your finger is the same outer copper tube that is said to be 29-30mm. The plastic tube TT measured is 40mm according his measurement; so 40mm is the double of 20mm but is the copper tube 20mm or 30mm?

So what's the correct size?

So we see that, as dimensions are critical (Thomas said that he couldn't replicate his effect with differrent measurements) we have to know all the dimensions. Inner and outer size of each cylinders, copper or plastic, position of drills, length of adapters pieces, etc.

As he did not do it and we can't replicate without knowing it, could you k4zep, when you will have received his reactor, measure it and tell us the dimensions so we can do it too? It would help. It should be better to have a ruler in centimeter to compare to what Thomas announced for some measurements he gave us and because pieces are accurate in exact measures in centimeters norm.