Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect

[Farmhand]

Farmhand:

My interpretation of the patent is that Tesla patented a way to make a coil into a resonator.  It doesn't even possess extra capacitance as compared to a regular coil.  It just facilitates higher voltage and therefore higher energy storage in the capacitive component of the coil.  The patent doesn't say anything beyond that.  It's not surprising, this was the dawn of the electrical revolution.

I am going to guess that the application might have been for his experiments in his own laboratory.  I don't think it ever really saw the light of day in a practical application.

If you want to push the envelope and open up the definition to include LC resonators in general, then LC resonators are used in RFID tags.  You pulse an RFID tag with a short burst of radio energy, and the LC resonator in the RFID tag stores some energy for a few milliseconds.  That stored energy powers the RFID tag for a fraction of a second so it has a temporary power source to broadcast out the bits it has been programmed with back to the RFID reader.

MileHigh

Well then I have a simple question. Are the claims in the patent true and correct ? Yes or No.

Cheers

[MileHigh]

Farmhand:

Yes they are true.  The big mistake is to think that this 19th century patent is automatically applicable to pulse motors.

One other point I forgot to mention.  It's possible that the pancake spiral design for the coil is what relates back to the "electromagnet" angle.  I think most big electromagnets like for scrap metal applications (one sided) are formed like this.  The reason being is that then you have a more even distribution of magnetic field strength across the entire surface of the disk.

It's actually hard to visualize that in your head when you look at the individual loops.  There is a lot of magnetic field cancellation going on between adjacent loops like that, it's very complicated.  So you close your eyes and just visualize the entire disk as a "swirling disk of current" and ignore the individual loops, i.e.; no individual conductors.

MileHigh

[MileHigh]

Check out this amazing pulse motor!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsmehZrqsPM

[Magluvin]

If the "COIL FOR ELECTROMAGNETS" did anything like produce anomalous energy and Tesla noticed it he would have said so I believe.

I follow that line also. Never said anything about OU. But I will look for the differences, as Tesla stated there is.  And I get what MH is saying about the capacitance being small. But they are way more significant than what a normal coil has, because of the voltage differences. Every wire turn has a wire next to it that is 50% of the total input voltage, no matter how many turns. A normal coil, the more turns makes for less difference in potential between adjacent turns.

Imagine a coil made of 8000 turns of 26awg wire, in layers on a spool, and another coil wound bifilar, 26awg 4000 turns. This will have the same amount of copper on each spool. Imagine the small amount of voltage difference between adjacent turns of the singlefi coil. It would have to be 8000v to have 1 v between adjacent turns. But the bifi will have 4000v between turns. That is not an insignificant difference in no way shape or form. Or if we have only 8v applied to the coil, turn for turn would only be .001v. The bifi would be 4v. This is big. The reason its big is, the higher the voltage for one, the more the attraction to be charged and more current in order to do so. Tesla said that there is lots of power in a tiny capacitor. 

I have to look it up, there was an article that talked about a large coil of say 60H and a cap of  I believe it was 40pf, in that range anyways, and it rings at 60hz. It caught me a bit as I never imagined using a 40pf cap for any involvement in resonance with any coil and ring that low. I gave me a sense of perspective.

Also there are ways of increasing that capacitance greatly as I had described and shown a diagram of the other day.

As for the DC use subject, this is what the guy used with the nails. So far nobody here has shown the experiment repeated as it was prescribed. Putting them in series kills the ability for the bifi to charge up as it would alone. That test only proves that the coils running full tilt produce approximately the same magnetic field while constant DC current  is running through them.

Tesla does mention alternating current there. So maybe he doesnt intend it as an ELECTROMAGNET.     

Mags

[Farmhand]

It's very interesting I agree. I think an electromagnet can be AC and still attract ferrous metals but the attraction would not be continuous. Not sure.

Anyway I have some idea's for experiments. Any results I get that seem interesting I might post in a more relevant thread.

Cheers