FIRST FREE ENERGY DEVICE REACHES MARKET IN OCTOBER -- The Game Changer is Here

[tinu]

Hi everyone,

There is much talk here but very little substance, don’t you think?!
Anyone on the subject (besides a couple of distinguished members who know what they are talking about)? I’m sick and tired of so much philosophical reasoning and associated bs.

So, if someone has a chunk of Ni, I’d be gladly throwing a couple of protons at it .
Seriously, it can hardly be imagined a simpler experiment, so simple that it can almost be done in a garage yet in 30 pages we have zip & nada experiments...  Hmmm

Besides experiments, I’d be also interested in discussing the technical part of the dark side of the story. No criticism but just to know where things went wrong. Specifically, let me start with a question about the following document (Piantelli) - “WO 9520816
ENERGY GENERATION AND GENERATOR BY MEANS OF ANHARMONIC STIMULATED FUSION”:
http://www.rexresearch.com/piantelli/piantelli.htm#WO2010058288
Never heard of it until now (1997-09-30) and to me it sounds almost too good to be true.
Can anyone provide more information? Replication/confirmation/refutation?
It is claimed that examples 1-4 provided an average of 1.29-4.9MJ per day for several days which, although not much, is a respectable 15-56W! (he, he â€" enough to take the prize and money from Harti )

Is the above real?
Then, how did it get largely un-noticed?

Respectfully,
Tinu

[Rosemary Ainslie]

Hello Tinu,

Interesting post.  I'm sure that you could do some trend setting if you actually started some replication efforts.  But what do you throw at this?  That 'document' of Piantelli reads like a patent from hell.  He's covered all the bases and just about all the effects.  If he knows that much why is he not sorting out the production of it like Rossi?

Here's a sample
     "In Fig. 4 in the periodic table of the chemical elements the position is indicated of the transition metals that are adapted for the process. They are in detail, Sc, Ti, V, Cr, Mn, Fe, Co, Ni, Zn, Y, Zr, Nb, Pd, Mo, Tc, Ru, Rh, Ag, Cd, Lu, Hf, Ta, W, Re, Os, Ir1 Pt, Au, lanthanoids, actinoids, an alloy of two or more than two of the above listed metals. They belong to one of the four transition metals groups, i.e.: metals that have a partially filled 3d-shell, e.g. Nickel; metals that have a partially filled 4d-shell, e.g. Rhodium; metals that have a partially filled 5d-shell, i.e. the "rare earths" or lanthanoids, e.g. Cerium; metals that have a partially filled 5d-shell, i.e. the actinonoids, e.g.Thorium."

So.  The question is this.  What material are you going to use?  Not only that but Rossi claims to have a catalyst that's responsible for his extraordinary results.  And he's not telling.  But that's a really interesting document.  Most certainly it's worded as a patent.  Which also means that any patent that Rossi's applied for may be contested.  This definitely has all the hallmarks of a prior art claim.  Very intriguing indeed.

The only reason that I'm not inclined to experiment in this is because - in my humble opinion - there's no need. Rossi's selling his units - and therefore, whether or not it's patented - every single aspect of this device technology is likely to be very well known in very short order.  Not even that catalyst can be kept secret for long.  I think Rossi is simply sorting out the race to production by securing himself a substantial and deserved pole position.  The guy's a giant among experimentalists.

But I also know that Hope is trying to get something together.  And Chess is keen on putting up his own variant.  It would certainly improve this thread.  I only 'lurk' here because I'm determined to prevent the kind of catastrophic trollmanship that deflects from a technology.  I'm well aware of their efficacy.

So Tinu.  I for one would be DELIGHTED to see this thread move to replications.  I know that Chess has already suggested it.  And I agree with you.  We need to get away from all these fatuous pleasantries and get our hands dirty.  I won't myself experiment.  It's true that I'm not qualified.  But I've never actually let that lack hamper any of my presumptions.  The point is that my time is heavily constrained.  I mention that because Poynty seems to think I have too much of it on my hands.

   

Very welcome Tinu.  Hopefully you and Chess can launch into something here.

Kindest regards,
Rosemary

[Rosemary Ainslie]

By the by - Tinu,

Regarding the 'dark side' as you put it.  I think you've actually hit the nail on the head.  If Piantelli actually documented all this - cold fusion - LENR - whatever - then?  It also means that one of the reasons that Rossi is NOT publishing - is precisely because this document preceded his own efforts.  It's covered ALL bases.  Not sure of the implications.  But I assume it would mean that his catalyst needs must represent the ENTIRE answer to secure his own better efficiencies.  In which case?  Surely the trick is to publish everything about this - ASAP.  Otherwise he runs the risk of not being able to patent anything at all. 

I don't know.  Wish I did.  Isn't there someone here who knows about the finer points of intellectual property?  I can't help wondering why Rossi isn't telling EVERYONE how to do it.  He must know that it's going to known - sooner or later.  And its benefits - whatever -  can NEVER be claimed until it's first been published in a patent.  It most certainly IS NOT patented.  Nor can I find Rossi's paper on this.  Only continual reference to the existence of a paper.  It's confusing.  He doesn't want to patent because the catalyst will then be widely known?  And he doesn't want to publish for the same reasons?   Frankly I'm inclined to think he won't publish until he's got the production schedule established.  That would make very good sense.

Anyway.  Perhaps someone who knows these things could comment.  It would be most welcome.

Again, regards,
Rosemary

[Rosemary Ainslie]

sorry Guys - I'm on a bit of a roll.

Here's how I see it.  I've got a technology that is widely published - which means it's all in the public domain.  Therefore it cannot be patented.  BUT.  Unlike everyone else I can get this to megawatt levels of production and EASILY.  Now.  The difference between my technology and the sad efforts of everyone else is this.  I use a catalyst that is then responsible for the required improvement in performance. 

Now.  Patent rules are very generous.  I can claim the benefits of precisely that catalyst or associated 'types' of materials - so that no-one else can pip me to the use of catalysts.  Then.  I publish this in a patent.  I know for a fact that international patents do not need anything more than publishing.  They have no restrictions on 'what may or may not be allowed by our boffins in the academic world.  It's now published and the whole world is invited to lodge 'prior art claims'.  To the best of my knowledge that's the ONLY thing that restricts the approval of a patent.  Because no-one self- evidently has used a catalyst to this 'cold fusion' number - then there can be no prior art claims.  Therefore my patent will be granted.

UNLESS - of course - it does NOT require a catalyst.  In which case?  It means that there is no variation to my technology and everything in the world that has already been published on the subject.  Which means that there's ample prior art in the public domain and therefore no patent protection.  So then?  Do I pretend to the existence of a catalysts in order to keep a head run on the race?

You see this I trust?  It means that there can be absolutely NO justifiable reason to NOT disclose the catalyst.  And that disclosure should be in patent application lodged in Geneva - post haste.  Patents are immediately opened to public inspection in order to let the public contest their own prior art claims.  Which means that the catalyst that is used and/or any optional catalyst should be fully disclosed.  There is nothing in the public domain about a required catalyst - to the best of my knowledge.  Therefore there CANNOT be any prior art claims.  It's worrisome.  Because all this means that Rossi has NO PROTECTION unless he applies for the patent which is when he also publishes his 'preferred' catalyst.  So.  Back to the question.  Why is he reluctant to apply for a patent?

Kindest as ever,
R

[infringer]

I seriously believe it is something worth looking at...
There have been several claims of this as a working material for power generation I cannot site them all cause my memory unfortunately is not photographic but a more recent one was blacklight power.

In closing some food for thought NiCad batteries are used for energy storage wonder if generation of power uses a similar mixture.

And furthermore if Nickle causes such a reaction what about lithium or other energy storage materials could they have similar reactions. Materials for energy storage may also be good materials of energy generation now this is going out on a limb here having no strong understanding of the principal but just in case it has not been thought of I figured I would share this with people knowledgeable in this field of study.