FIRST FREE ENERGY DEVICE REACHES MARKET IN OCTOBER -- The Game Changer is Here

[d3x0r]

The poll is incomplete in choices.  This is not a free process, but yes the process works.  To generate power for the world would be something like 6.1metric tons of the 143,000 metrics tons of nickel produced a year; and a likewise similar amount of hydrogen consumed.

I'm really glad that Rossi has gotten all this wonderful press, but there are others (blacklight power) who have been working in this area who have a very similar process, but instead have found that there are 137 (173?) fractional levels below the standard n=1 orbit of hydrogen, and just before the hydrogen proton/electron become close enough to look like a neutron and are able to interact with the core of the nickel thereby allowing an extra proton to be inserted and upgrade it to copper (kicking out the extra electron), you can just extract the partial energy and get left with a 'hydrino' which has chemical properties all its own.  This process doesn't consume the nickel, and the hydrogen is able to be returned to a natrual state by applying heat.  A method of direct electric generation is also available.

A short history, when Intel Atom came out a few years ago, I was searching for atom information, and it turned up at that time that there was this blacklight power company that kept coming up.  They also have university third party verification of their process.   And while it's not 100% the same, when you look at what they are using (nickel, hydrogen, and in blacklight's case a named catalyst potassium, in rossi's an unnamed catalyst).  Now also rossi claims that it is the lead absorbing the gamma radiation from the exothermic process of adding a proton to nickel to produce copper, rather than just that it'd be an exothermic process to fuse nickel with a proton to make copper.    Where as Dr Randell Mills has software to model these fractional behaviors and has a long depth of scientific investiation as opposed to a backyard inventor philosophy. 

Unfortunatly, every few months as more Rossi News comes out, I make sure that i forward such information to blacklight but I hvae no received even 'thanx for the info' nor any indication that it was even received.  But I'll still put out the info for others to see... and if NASA really thinks that Rossi's works, they should start looking at the 'hometown players' also.

Edit: I might also add it seems to be potassium that's required to make crystal batteries work; if you have epson salts, you can use alum(which has amongst its many incrediants potassium, err no maybe that's wrong, maybe alum is used instead of magnesium sulfate if you're using aluminum instead of magnesium [an/cath]ode), or potassium cloride(salt substittue) or rochelle (potassium sodium tartate)

[chessnyt]

The poll is incomplete in choices.  This is not a free process, but yes the process works.  To generate power for the world would be something like 6.1metric tons of the 143,000 metrics tons of nickel produced a year; and a likewise similar amount of hydrogen consumed.

@d3x0r:
This was discussed earlier in this thread and while it is true that in the context of "totally free" that there will never be an energy source that is truly free (as even solar panels cost money, as do windmills, etc.).  The context of "free" in the title of this thread is simply the gain of extra energy (more than was introduced at the start) that you don't have to pay for. 

Sure you are billed for the energy used to start the reaction, but not for subsequent energy produced long after (6 months worth) the input power source is removed.  So then, if you take the total energy produced and subtract the total amount of energy you payed for that was used to get the process going, you are left with nearly 6 months of energy (energy that the utility companies didn't bill you for) off the meter. 

Now you have to determine the exact amount of this excess energy (e.g. kilowatt hours) and find the cost that your utility company would have charged you for this amount of energy (not "free" yet).  Now take this dollar amount and subtract the cost of maintenance (the 10$ refill cartridge of Ni powder) and you are left with your actual "free" energy afterwards (energy that is worth some clear amount that you didn't actually get billed for). 

I am going to change the poll soon but for different reasons.  The poll is simply going to ask whether or not you believe Andrea Rossi is:

   a. A scam artist selling a bogus product that does not produce excess energy.
   b. An honest inventor selling a revolutionary technology that produces excess energy.

Regards,

Chess

[chessnyt]

(highlights from Andrea Rossi's most recent interview on 1-15-2012 continued)

Rossi uses his own system in his current home:

"The facility that used the very first generation of E-Cat for a couple of years to heat, the room etc, is the facility that I sold to finance this production. And that particular facility has been closed, but E-Cats are right now working in rooms and houses of ours. Just to test them in continuous. So we have E-Cats that are working in continuous right now, just to test them."

When asked about the possibility of nickel shortages:

"Absolutely not. The amount of nickel that we consume is very, very tiny respect to the amount of nickel that is produced. To understand well this I can use numbers. You must consider that one gram of matter of mass of matter, of nickel or anything in this world is equal... can produce if turned into heat, can produce twenty three thousand megawatt hours of energy. Again, one gram of mass, of nickel, can produce twenty three thousand megawatts of energy. If you think this, you can imagine that even if this kind of technology will be well used in our planet, the amount of nickel consumed in one year will be less than 1% of the nickel that today is produced in the world. And so the answer to your question, is that no. It is impossible that there can be shortages of nickel because it is absolutely. It is irrelevant the amount that is consumed. That's it."

Rossi addresses the possibility of selling units that produce electricity:

"It will take between one and two years to be able to make E-Cats that make also electricity, besides heat. For now we are just heating with our E-Cats."

The locale of his mass production factories are addressed:

"Well, we have made, yes, many public tests. But you must consider that we make tests everyday in our laboratory with our consultants, with our apparatus. Now the technology is very solid, the E-Cats now are very stable. We have manufacturing right now, one megawatt plants why for the domestic small E-Cats, we, first of all, we have started the certification process with underwriter laboratories, which will be necessary to sell the E-Cats. And at the same time, we are engineering, right now, we are preparing a totally robotized manufacturing factory, which will be able to produce one million pieces per year. This will be in the United States. And I am honored to say this, because I reside in the USA. I love the United States, and I wanted for many reasons that now I cannot explain, to develop in the United States this technology. And I want that this technology is American."


Regards,

Chess

P.S. I have started a new poll attached to this thread (it's the third or fourth time) today to avoid the play/debate on semantics. 

[jan.kolar]

In his last interview Rossi mentioned issue of stability. Specifically he said that device is absolutely stable up to temperatures around 120 celsius degress. I speculate what would happen if some electric grid was turned off by blackout. There would be no energy to drive circulation pump to sufficiently cool the device. He only mentioned that there is no way to explode like atomic bomb because liquid nicked would stop the whole reaction.

[Gwandau]

An excerpt of Zawodny's explanation for the NASA video which has been widely misrepresented as support of the ecat and LENR in general
http://ecatnews.com/?p=1868

Well, when reading the article "Zawodny Clarifies NASA Video" published January 16, 2012, one starts to wonder who suddenly made him
change his basic attitude towards LENR, especially when he himself have filed a LENR patent.

The response to the article by "Jack" January 17 nails it down:

Quote:
If extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, then how the hell could Joe Zawodny try to get a patent on such a claim,
as it would be a contradiction of this philosophy. One can only draw two conclusions.

(a) He has got extraordinary evidence to support his patent, or

(b) he does not believe in the philosophy of extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

I think they took out generalized patent on LENR so as to lay claim on any future discoveries in this field.
The contradiction here is if NASA say there is little evidence supporting LENR which is an extraordinary claim
and lacks extraordinary evidence then why would they be filing for patents in this area.
/end of quote

Gwandau