FIRST FREE ENERGY DEVICE REACHES MARKET IN OCTOBER -- The Game Changer is Here

[CuriousChris]

Defkalion claim to know how Rossi's Ecat works but claim that they use different technology. Perhaps thats the reason why they can achieve high temps, yet Rossi can't. Rossi states the reason his system is safe is because at higher temperatures the nickel powder melts into a lump. As its not a powder anymore the reaction fails. That sounds  entirely reasonable. So perhaps Defkalion are use some form of nanotech, perhaps nano capsules that release the nickel powder as required and allows for higher temperature?

Just guesswork of course.

What is more interesting about Defkalions announcement is that it places huge pressure on Rossi to 'come clean' so to speak. Rossi spends much of his time beating around the bush. He either believes he has an unbeatable position and can afford to play games or is totally out of touch with reality. He seems to fail to understand people are not going to trust him until his claims are proven without a doubt.

So now that Defkalion have upped the anti (Which came as a surprise to me, they seemed to be all words no action until that announcement). Rossi will have to respond or be left behind. It also seems to prove that once the basic mechanism is understood that there are many ways to skin the LENR cat and that is fantastic. it means there will be lots of companies creating the tech and competition is a good thing.

If you haven't watched this series of clips I really suggest you do its a great primer on cold fusion and the state of play up until October.

Parts 1 .. 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtweR_qGHEc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeikEgjC1qg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqeA8n37XFg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_XN52jXl78
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYZfgvSFYDM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3N3dWlIPUQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QhIWrA4pGI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWkVyg_iul4

What is most fascinating is that with deuterium and palladium (original Pons & Fliechsman method) the chance of success was low but with the hydrogen nickel combination there was almost a 100% success rate in anomalous energy production.

One thing that troubles me about Defkalions announcement is they havent said they have invited companies/institutes to come and do testing. Surely they would have a shortlist of those they trust to do the testing properly SRI international (from the vids above) seem to be a good choice. Of course NASA, University of Bolgna are other good choices I wouldnt invite MIT I don't know if they can be trusted, it was them that sank Pons and Fleischman.

Perhaps if they sent out particular invites they have kept that list to themselves.

CC

[teslaalset]

Defkalion claim to know how Rossi's Ecat works but claim that they use different technology. Perhaps thats the reason why they can achieve high temps, yet Rossi can't. Rossi states the reason his system is safe is because at higher temperatures the nickel powder melts into a lump. As its not a powder anymore the reaction fails. That sounds  entirely reasonable. So perhaps Defkalion are use some form of nanotech, perhaps nano capsules that release the nickel powder as required and allows for higher temperature?

Just guesswork of course.

Chris, reading your reply, it seems you are not completely on par with the latest situations. I'll comment through your posting here.

Regarding the temperature, it all depends on where the actual temperature was measured. 
In the case of Rossi, the water temperature that comes out of the e-cat is maximized to 120 degrees (depending on the water pressure). The actual Nickel core temperature will be significantly higher. It all depends on the efficiency of the heat exchanger.
It may well be that Defkalion is measuring their core temperature.

What is more interesting about Defkalions announcement is that it places huge pressure on Rossi to 'come clean' so to speak. Rossi spends much of his time beating around the bush. He either believes he has an unbeatable position and can afford to play games or is totally out of touch with reality. He seems to fail to understand people are not going to trust him until his claims are proven without a doubt.

Meanwhile Rossi has received more than 50 000 pre-orders, while his price is rapidly going down (40-50 $/KW for the home units).
He's very aware of his competitors. It seems there are even more companies at the verge of announcing products.
You should really look at Rossi's recent interview : http://pesn.com/2012/01/14/9602012_Momentous_Breakthroughs_Announced_During_Anniversary_E-Cat_Interview/transcription.htm
Here, he mentions his strategy towards his potential competitors.


Potential third party: Piantelli (www.nichenergy.com). Nothing really concrete, but Piantelli's patent has been extended in Nov. 2011 and reveals similar methodologies. Piantelli's patent position is more solid than Rossi's. Mind the first 4 characters of his company: Ni - C - H, suggesting Nickel, Carbon and Hydrogen, similar to the elements mentioned in the NASA publication by Zawodny (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiQdl61c7O0).
Defkalion mentions patent applications but they were filed quite recent, so not published and approved yet.


There are several others that claim to have found reproducable 'e-cat' methods, but their claims and background are such that I won't mention them here. This will only clutter focus on the real candidates.


The interesting thing is that replication seems quite easy.
This makes short term breakthroughs even more likely.

So now that Defkalion have upped the anti (Which came as a surprise to me, they seemed to be all words no action until that announcement). Rossi will have to respond or be left behind. It also seems to prove that once the basic mechanism is understood that there are many ways to skin the LENR cat and that is fantastic. it means there will be lots of companies creating the tech and competition is a good thing.

Rossi spend years working together with Focardi and Piantelli at the university of Bologna on this, while Defkalion basically reverse engineered the e-cat while working out a prototype for Rossi. I am not sure Defkalion is really ahead. The coming months some prove will appear (see my comments below).

What is most fascinating is that with deuterium and palladium (original Pons & Fliechsman method) the chance of success was low but with the hydrogen nickel combination there was almost a 100% success rate in anomalous energy production.

Mainly due to Focardi, who was first in publishing results on Ni + H2 already years ago. Seems the Italian were already on the right track years ago. If you want a nice overview of what has been achieved over the last 23 years since Pons and Fleischmann, I recommend reading "The Science of Low Energy Nuclear Reactions [cold fusion] - E. Storms (World, 2007)".

One thing that troubles me about Defkalions announcement is they havent said they have invited companies/institutes to come and do testing. Surely they would have a shortlist of those they trust to do the testing properly SRI international (from the vids above) seem to be a good choice. Of course NASA, University of Bolgna are other good choices I wouldnt invite MIT I don't know if they can be trusted, it was them that sank Pons and Fleischman.


Perhaps if they sent out particular invites they have kept that list to themselves.

See http://www.defkalion-energy.com/files/2012-01-23_Independent_Testing_on_Hyperion_Reactors.pdf
Defkalion invites knowledgable institutes and companies for evaluation of their Hyperion product the upcoming 2 months.
This will prove Defkalions present status.

[CuriousChris]

@teslaalset
I don't disagree with anything you have said. I did read the transcript as well. I even contacted Underwriter Laboratories that Rossi mentions. They said they have "no device from Leonardo corporation in their list of devices certified". That of course does not mean its not in the process of certification.

I have read Dekalions notice also. it wasn't the notice that concerned me it was the lack of specific invites. I would have been public about it by saying we invited NASA, SRI and others to test our device. Apart from that I have no issues with the notice.

As for the Rossi transcript. It's just words. with no concrete third party and reliable proof it is meaningless. There may be 50,000 pre orders but that is also meaningless. Anybody with as much press as he has had recently can easilly get 50,000 preorders when no money needs to be put on the table, I even considered preordering. That part definately reeks of a scam. "See Mr X we have 50K pre ordered if you give us $10M you can be our agent".

50,000 or 5,000,000 means nothing if no device is ever produced. or takes another 10 years to produce.

Why I am impressed with Defkalion is they have said it works, we are happy and to prove it you can test it with YOUR EQUIPMENT and PUBLISH the results. Rossi was never that open. At least now the pressure is on him. and it appears to be working I have heard he has entered into another agreement with the bologna university and this time its less restrictive.

This is all good news!

I havent read E. storms book, but there was an interview I have been meaning to watch but haven't yet.

CC

[chessnyt]

What is more interesting about Defkalions announcement is that it places huge pressure on Rossi to 'come clean' so to speak. Rossi spends much of his time beating around the bush. He either believes he has an unbeatable position and can afford to play games or is totally out of touch with reality. He seems to fail to understand people are not going to trust him until his claims are proven without a doubt.

@CuriousChris :
I agree with most of what you say here but I don't believe Rossi thinks he has an unbeatable position or is out of touch with reality.  Rossi is very aware that his position is extremely beatable as evidenced by his statements concerning reverse engineering of his products which you can find in my previous postings quoting his most recent interview's transcript.

I believe that Rossi wants to delay the inevitable (because he sees this in the foreseeable future reality) by refusing to allow competent scientists inside of the heart of his technology as he realizes that an NDA cannot keep someone from talking in secret meetings.  How would you prove that?  It would be very difficult to prove. 

He hopes that the cloning of his technology occurs after his first batch of home E-Cats roll out which affords him a very healthy head start against the competition and maximizes his initial profits.  He is very in touch with reality as his strategy demonstrates this, however, he has not factored in the Defkalion disclosure.     


Chess

[tinu]

 Hi CC,

Excellent info from the clips ‘Cafe Scientifique Silicon Valley.’ I was hungry for more but it’s much better now.

Hi all,

During last month I’ve ordered the necessary chemicals to take the Ni route. I’ve conducted several Ni electro-depositions and that was an easy part. In the last week I’ve started electrochemically loading of H into Ni cathodes but that’s a field I have no training and nada experience. If there is someone knowledgeable and/or experienced around, preferably a chemist/electrochemist I’d appreciate very much any info /advices he/she could provide on the subject. Anyway, after listening carefully to Mr. McKubre, I’m not sure Ni electrochemical loading is the route to go. If Pd diffusion times is relatively short and initiation still requires many days (typically weeks), I’m afraid for Ni it can take ...ages?!

On the other hand, after an initial&quick assessment of the available alternatives, I was very skeptical about Les Case but currently I’m reconsidering. I still think it’s almost too good to be true: atmospheric pressure, powder Ni (which I have it too), relatively small temperatures and carbon catalyst (ha! I would’ve never guessed that!). The only difficulty is with D2 gas but I hope that can be solved and maybe it works with a D2/H2 mixture. I’d also like to discuss Les Case route and, if someone interested, to explore it together.

Best regards,
Tinu