FIRST FREE ENERGY DEVICE REACHES MARKET IN OCTOBER -- The Game Changer is Here

[tinu]

 Hi TK,

I was not familiar with the Ottoman ECat but with the smaller version that can be seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=m-8QdVwY98E

I suppose Ottoman is this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNhQIufkdL4&feature=related
And yes, I do believe your explanation makes perfect sense.

I’ll try to check it from the movie if I can. Let’s see…

At 22:30 the electrical heat is switched off (4:55 in the movie). Power in goes to about 24-26W.  (5:10 in the movie). Temperature is 133.5C (5:52 in the movie) at 22:38. Temperature of cold water is 28.9C .

I believe the flow is stated to be 15l/h or about 4cc/s. (It’s a different pump).

End time is being stated as 10:10pm (6:08 in the movie), which I suppose is a mistake because it is immediately said that “we’ve been going half an hour without electrical energy”. I’ll assume that real time was 23:10. Temperature is 121.9C (6:12 in the movie) at 23:10. Temperature of cold water is 29.3C.

Searching for additional data…
Volume of water inside the ECat is indeed stated to be 30l (2:40 in the movie).
“Pump is consuming about 15 l/h”  (03:02 in the movie).

So delta(t) for the hot reservoir is 11.6C, volume is 30l so Q = 30 * 4187 * 11.6 = 1457076J
Q electric = 25W * 1800 s = 45000J
Q container I approximate to be 5% of that of water inside, which is 1457076*5%= 72854J
Q total = 1574930J

If cold water in is 28.9C and hot water out is 100C, delta(t) is 71.1C
At Q total above, the quantity of water that can be heated by 71.1C is
m= 1574930J/(71.1C*4187J/kgC)= 5,29kg

m= 5.29kg imho pretty much sums up that you were right. It corresponds to a flow of 2.93cc/s (or 10.6l/h).
Considering the pump was stopped at a given but unknown moment and the large number of variables (like the exact inside volume of ECat, precise flow rate etc), I conclude there is no heat after death. If it was heat after death, I would simply let the Ecat to go back again from 111C to 133.5C with the pump stopped and from that I would compute its power output without much doubts.

Best regards TK
And sorry for the bad news, folks.

Tinu

[chessnyt]

@Everyone:
The deal is going down people and LENR is going to grab a lot of exposure (and free press).
Here's the recent skinny on things related to the technology that is going to change not only the game, but the players as well!!!

The infamous Dick Smith (Australian businessman and skeptic) himself offered $1 million dollars to Andrea Rossi for another demonstration of his E-cat where judges of the demo would decide if it does in fact perform as advertised.  Not surprisingly, Rossi turned down the offer stating that he was busy getting ready for mass production of his device(s).

Rossi declining this offer didn't suprise me in the least. 

Then, Dick Smith extended the exact same offer to Defkalion and THEY HAVE ACCEPTED HIS OFFER!!

Very EXCITING NEWS!


Regards,

Chess

[TinselKoala]

@tinu: thanks for running the numbers... and for watching that video again. I can't do either one, it makes my eyeballs cross.

As far as I can tell, there has been no need for Rossi to do any fancy tricks with gimmicked wiring or water diversions. All his output seems to be pretty well accounted for by his known electrical input, every time that we actually have data for.

I can hardly wait to see what Defkalion is going to do. It would be funny either way: Smith keeps his million but Hyperion turns out to be real, or Smith loses his million to a successful demo, and then Hyperion later turns out to be fake..... It will be a great show however it ends.

[Rosemary Ainslie]

@tinu: thanks for running the numbers... and for watching that video again. I can't do either one, it makes my eyeballs cross.

As far as I can tell, there has been no need for Rossi to do any fancy tricks with gimmicked wiring or water diversions. All his output seems to be pretty well accounted for by his known electrical input, every time that we actually have data for.

I can hardly wait to see what Defkalion is going to do. It would be funny either way: Smith keeps his million but Hyperion turns out to be real, or Smith loses his million to a successful demo, and then Hyperion later turns out to be fake..... It will be a great show however it ends.

You've omitted another optional outcome.  Defkalion earn the prize - get huge publicity - up their sales and it's NOT FAKE?  I think that the most of us reading here would be delighted to approve those numbers and observations that you and tinu managed.  The trouble is that none of them relates to anything official.  And if all that steam was simply held under pressure - the amount of water finally discharged was far greater in volume than the size of the container - from 'whence it came' let alone the amount of water vapour that escaped as steam.  LOL.

If you guys really need to 'cast doubt' you need to make your evidence more convincing.  Otherwise the most of us are simply inclined to suppose that you're doing that 'thing' that you do best.  You follow the three rules of 'trollmanship'.  Which is to deny, and deny and deny. 

Anyway.  Well done for the effort.
Kindest regards,
Rosie Pose

[TinselKoala]

You poor thing. You continue to show your willful ignorance in every post you make. I genuinely feel sorry for you, Rosie Posie.