FIRST FREE ENERGY DEVICE REACHES MARKET IN OCTOBER -- The Game Changer is Here

[MileHigh]

TK:

I dropped acid after I posted the following just so I could cope:

To Pozzie Rozzie from MileHigh:

You stated the following:  Gamma rays are particles.

Pozzie Rozzio response:  NOT MY CLAIM

To Pozzie Rozzie from MileHigh:  Is this your thinking?:  changes in the atomic NUCLEUS and particles in the atomic nucleus are protons and neutrons therefore gamma rays must be particles.

Pozzie Rozzio response:  INDEED.  Well done.  That's EXACTLY WHAT I'M PROPOSING.

MileHigh conclusion:  I get it, you are a phreaking physics zsycho.

Coming down now and ready to leave the Bizarro Universe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bizarro_World

In the Bizarro world of "Htrae" ("Earth" spelled backwards), society is ruled by the Bizarro Code which states "Us do opposite of all Earthly things! Us hate beauty! Us love ugliness! Is big crime to make anything perfect on Bizarro World!" In one episode, for example, a salesman is doing a brisk trade selling Bizarro bonds: "Guaranteed to lose money for you". Later, the mayor appoints Bizarro No. 1 to investigate a crime, "Because you are stupider than the entire Bizarro police force put together". This is intended and taken as a great compliment

MileHigh

[Rosemary Ainslie]

Guys, Chess all,

Abject apologies for this thread tending off topic.  I'm afraid I've been followed by those who are applying a gratuitous attack against my work and the good names of my colleagues.  I'll withdraw until some appropriate moderation is applied.  I think it's the only decent thing I can do as this subject is way more important than my contributions here.

Kindest regards,
Rosemary

[parisd]

Guys,

The word "Gammas" started a war... Those who do not know what are Gammas or Alphas should learn that outside of this thread going back to their physics books even if those books are 50 years old.

Rossi having a facility ready for 1 million units ready without having any certification yet, can't be himself claiming that, I don't even know if Apple has the facility for the nex 1 million Ipad !

I am new to LENR and trying to catch-up but quite a hard task. I recall reading (outside of this forum) that scientists were puzzled because there was no gammas associated with the Rossi E-cat, now there are Gammas.

I am puzzled by the way water is heated outside of the lead barrier, I would have expected the heat to come mainly from the fuel temperature itself, i.e the nickel, less from the gammas but I can get it all wrong so I apologize in advance for writing possible non sense but please don't elaborate on that unless the answer is known and publicly available.

My 2 questions remain:
1) If the E-cat never see life, is there enough knowledge / data to replicate it ?
2) Anyone informed through official and verifiable sources of any certification in progress anywhere in the world ?

[Gwandau]

Kids! Kids!

Please stop throwing sand at each other!
It´s embarrasing. I´m flushing.

Now, our present standpoint is to either believe what Andrea Rossi claims to have stumbled upon, or not.


First of all, there is no way to prove or disprove anything yet.
Secondly, it's utterly useless to incorporate so called basic facts from the physics books, since this, if true, is something completely outside the box.


What do we know?

We know is that LENR is a worldwide phenomenon that just recently got momentum in several institutions.

We also know that Andrea Rossi (and his copying antagonist Defkalion) is the only one so far that claims to have found
a practical way to harness this confirmed LENR phenomenon as a heater.


We can all agree on this:
AR claims to have discovered a way to create heat by means that in no way is possible to explain by contemporary scientific concepts.


If he is a reliable guy, this invention will change or thoroughly update our view of nucear physics.

If he is not, he will go to the history of being one of the greatest scammers ever known, being able to fool several universities
through complete many hour test runs closely monitored by high academic physiscists and nuclear scientists.

But the greatest mystery of all will in that case be why on earth he did it, since he will never earn a penny from it until the trust in charge of the whole
production project starts getting money returned from the sales.


Regarding I million units per year:
Andrea Rossi says the e-cat is very simple construct and consists of just a few components, and if it wasn't for the bulky heat exchanger making
the whole e-cat just a little bigger than a DVD player, it would actually be much smaller, due to it's simplicity.

Three thousand packaged units, consisting of some copper tubes and lead shielding together with a simple printed circuit card, in the size of packaged DVD-players
would probably not take many minutes to assemble or take up very much of volume in a six story warehouse, so personally I really do not think that there are
such monumental production issues as mentioned by MileHigh.


It all boils down to:  Do you want to take a step out to the open minded ones and believe Andrea Rossi or do you prefer to take the old and safe standpoint? 

The rest of any argumental standpoints in either direction just tells us that you either believe or not.

Gwandau

[TinselKoala]

Notice that she doesn't say "It was wrong to insist that gammas were heavy particles, sorry, I stand corrected", nor does she even fall back on the easy excuse I gave her: "Oh, I was confusing Gamma Rays with Cosmic Rays, sorry, language barrier, mistranslation, gammas are in fact EM radiation just as TK says, I looked it up in several places and I'm convinced."

No. Instead she screams for moderation and runs away, secure in her ignorance.

Now... Rossi.
Rossi has gammas when they are convenient, like when he has to explain heating, where he says that the gammas (from inside) are absorbed in the lead shielding (outside) where they are converted to heat. He doesn't explain how, if lead melts at a certain temperature, he is able to heat steam to above that temperature, without having a lot of liquid lead running out all over his shoes--- except that lately, now that the temperature problem has been pointed out, he says he's using some other secret material to shield and thermalize the gammas that either are or aren't there.

Because Rossi doesn't have gammas when they are inconvenient, like when the Florida nuclear regulatory official visited him and asked about his device, his factory, and whether it contained any hazardous material or produced any harmful radiation. "No" says Rossi, ignoring the toxicity of finely-divided nickel, the hazard of hydrogen, and the gammas that are supposed to produce his heat.
Not only that, but his million-unit-per year factory moves around a lot.... first it's in Florida, then it's not in the USA at all.

So a domestic ECat is simple and compact. About the size of a toaster oven, maybe a bit heavier. For a factory to make a million of these per year, yes, that is over 2700 units per day. Let's say the boxed unit occupies  0.25 cubic meters. Doing the math, we find that the volume output of this plant will be 675 cubic meters. That is a layer 100 meters by 6.75 meters by one meter deep, or, since a typical 18-wheeler trailer carries about 115 cubic meters, around six full tractor-trailer truckloads EVERY DAY of the year.
From a brand-new factory, making a product that's not yet been tested in quantity in public, that is undergoing design changes every day, it seems.

I am sorry, but this simply isn't plausible.

ETA: Is Rossi going to ship his cold fusion reactor units, with nickel and hydrogen cartridges .... UNTESTED? And the local plumber, unlicenced as a fusion mechanic, is just going to hook it up and turn it on, and there won't be any problems. Just like when you bring home your home theater system, or your new car, or your new computer system, or your.....
Oh, never mind.