FIRST FREE ENERGY DEVICE REACHES MARKET IN OCTOBER -- The Game Changer is Here

[lumen]

I just went through all 71! pages of this thread and had to sign up for an account so I could post.

Chess, you (and others) go on and on about how Rossi can't be a scam artist because no one has been harmed by his claim.

Pardon my swearing, but I beg to F###ING differ. I certainly have been harmed by reading through 71 pages of you and others saying essentially "I believe Rossi because the world really needs this technology, and because Rossi said..." Then there is the other (smaller) camp repeatedly saying "I want to believe, but I need a credible independent third-party to test and verify over a reasonable (say a month) period that it works."

One camp is rational, the other camp, not so much. If you're actually wondering which is which, as yourself "is it rational to want independent, robust verification?" If you said no, you're in the Not So Much camp. I mean, this really isn't difficult to think through.

As to the argument, that Rossi isn't trying to get money out of people, therefore he must be legit, I suggest everyone see the movie "A Beautiful Mind". Rossi could easily, with pure intentions, be fully delusional, or maybe just wrong. Although I do like the suggestion that he will be asking for donations to help get the UL testing completed.

I will make you this promise. If in the next six months Rossi gets a UL approval (hell, if it can be proven that they are even testing units) I'll eat my mouse. OK, I wont eat my mouse, but I seriously will swallow my mouse wheel.

@MileHigh - Stop...just stop. You're bound to give yourself an ulcer. You could easily take a few months break, come back, and start again. I expect that there will be another 20 pages and still nothing truly real or really true.

For the record, I sincerely hope that I'm wrong and Rossi has got This Sh#T in the Bag! That would be really cool! It still wouldn't  change the fact that at this point, there is a distinct smell of trout in the air.

Rossi is the easiest to blame only because he was the first to make some big claims. Now there are others and people still go after Rossi?

I think before anyone else goes after Rossi, it might be wise to watch the two YouTube videos from Brillouin corp.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7pInnbzhG0&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B63_I616khU&feature=related

[MileHigh]

Here's a good E-Cat article from an ex-military guy that appears to be taken seriously.  He posted it on April 13, 2012 and he got 760 responses so far.

http://ecatnews.com/?p=2184

A 45MW eCat Delusion?                   April 13, 2012Fifteen months ago, I believed that come October 2011 we would know the reality or otherwise of Andrea Rossi’s eCat. The 1MW demo was interesting but left gaps you could drive a ship through. Importantly, the meta data was not as solid as we had hoped, prime among the disappointments being the ‘need’ to keep the customer secret. Never mind, we were told, the next customer is happy to sing â€" be assured; the first 1MW plant is gone, accepted by the secret shopper.
We know the story that followed and so I will not repeat the constant promises and disappointments surrounding imminent news on the Rossi or Defkalion front. The latest pronouncements from AR include plans for a 45MW plant and ‘confirmation’  that the 1MW secret customer is military. As a former serving member of the RAF (21 yrs) I cannot wrap my head around the idea that a device destined to change the nature of warfare is left with the manufacturer for over six months to fix a few gaskets or for any other reason at all. Furthermore, we now hear that Defkalion’s next milestone will be the launch of a prototype Hyperion in July. Is that the next milestone after the announcement of the names of the independent testers and the details of their results?
I believe in proof before guilt and I therefore cannot put my hand on my heart and call anyone a fraud. It seems inconceivable to me that so many qualified and experienced people close to Rossi and DGT could have been hoodwinked by a nuclear-driven boiler if it was a lie. After over a year of intimate exposure to the technology, surely one at least would cry foul when the back story did not match the public one? To me, this is the single factor remaining which offers hope and we should keep that front and centre when tempted to assume fraud. Ironically, as the eCat story stretches credulity, optimism for LENR appears to be strengthened. In turn, LENR’s increasing credibility props AR’s claims â€" just a little.
The problem here is not certainty of fraud or the death of hope but that the behaviour of the two main organisations is indistinguishable from those with con men at the helm. As I said above and elsewhere, the supporting strut in this affair that remains somewhat intact is the credibility of the company the eCat keeps. For me, however, that is no longer enough.
I constantly worry about steering people towards imprudent investment which is why I normally add a caveat (such as ‘assuming it is true’) to my posts. This was a compromise I could live with until clarity came our way. After all, no-one would be crazy enough to invest without private proof. Would they?
Recent evidence says otherwise. No-one is responsible for placing such a high-risk bet but the person who makes it. To do so without due diligence seems crazy. Even so, I feel increasingly uncomfortable about offering hope even as I hold the belief that it is still there in modest measure.
Continued. (just follow the link.)

[fuzzytomcat]

Hi All,

The one thing I've been concerned about is this fuel cell type device getting a UL ( Underwriter Laboratory ) certification for industrial, commercial or residential consumer usage. There seems to be a slight lack of disclosure on the catalysis or electrolyte elements used in the making which is "Palladium" (Pd). This element can be bought as a metal or as coin currency at around $650.00 (USD) oz.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palladium

Palladium plays a key role in the technology used for fuel cells, which combine hydrogen and oxygen to produce electricity, heat, and water.

Here is a good MSDS ( Material Safety Data Sheet ) for Palladium (Pd)
http://www.espimetals.com/index.php/msds/227-palladium

Extinguishing Media:  Flammable in powdered form.  Do not use water, CO2 or halogenated extinguishers.  Use dry powder extinguishing agents, dry sand or dry ground dolomite.

Special Fire Fighting Procedures:  Firefighters must wear full face, self-contained breathing apparatus with full protective clothing to prevent contacts with skin and eyes.  Fumes from fire are hazardous.  Isolate runoff to prevent environmental pollution.

Unusual Fire & Explosion Hazard:  May have an explosive reaction with hydrogen + hydrogen peroxide.  May have a reaction with formic acid or sodium tetrahydroborate, releasing flammable and explosive hydrogen gas.  May have a violent reaction with isopropyl alcohol and OF2S.  Under the proper conditions it undergoes hazardous reactions with aluminum, arsenic, carbon, methanol, ozonides and sulfur.  Highly flammable as a finely divided powder.

For those that frequent United States airports and had your carry on liquid looked at ever wonder why? Has anyone ever heard of Hydrogen Peroxide a 40% regent grade like what a hair dresser uses or even a higher grade used as rocket fuel? Has anyone mixed baking soda and vinegar together in a sealed bottle? 

This type of a fuel cell energy process is not for those faint of heart and is dangerous if not done exactly right without any of it's device control components failing when running at full capacity. This will be a hard sell for residential usage the best one could hope for is a industrial application that can be monitored by trained personnel to get a UL certification.

I'm not saying it's impossible .... but this isn't a modified OxyHydrogen (HHO) cell experimenters want to reverse build and place one in their basement to heat the home, even that is kind of nutty on it's own if you ever seen one explode. 

Cheers,
FuzzyTomCat

[Gwandau]

Lumen,

thanks for the Brillouin links earlier, that's about the best theory behind the LENR effect I have come across so far,
so I would like to highlight those links to anyone really interested in what may go within the lattice in a so called LENR.

We all know that the scientific community of today agrees that there is no way to overcome the coloumbic repulsion of hydrogen
within a metallic lattice. What the scientific community have missed is that LENR really does not threaten this fact.

All this fuzz over the years between hot fusion and the LENR would end the moment LENR became acknowledged as as nuclear process
not related to the traditional concept of fusion.

It would really just need a little more open minded outlook from todays nuclear scientists,
and maybe a bit less Cern type high speed collision dependence of their theories.

Both links by Lumen are great, the first one giving a simple and excellent visualization about the lattice compression effect
on the energy level of the hydrogen involved and the resulting endotherm reaction converting energy to mass.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7pInnbzhG0&feature=player_embedded

The second video link initially posted by Lumen is an detailed description why it is not neccessary to overcome coloumbic repulsion,
since it is not fusion as currently defined.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B63_I616khU&feature=related

It sure will be interesting to follow the developement of insights in nuclear science when the proos finally get their hands on an e-cat.
Will they get to same conclusions as above, or will they find something even more amazing?

Gwandau

[chessnyt]

@Everyone:
A U.S. Senator is finally interested enough to check into the legitimacy of cold fusion personally.  He traveled to MIT to have a first hand look at a successful cold fusion experiment in progress.  In fact, it has been in progress (and producing anomalous excess heat) for over two months now!

Here's an excerpt from the article:

"Cold Fusion Times is reporting that Massachusetts Senate Minority Leader Bruce Tarr was hosted at MIT by Professor Peter Hagelstein and Dr. Mitchell Swartz who demonstrated their JET Energy cold fusion paladium-zirconium based NANOR system which has reportedly been able to show a continuous production of excess heat for over two months."

The full article can be found here:
http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/04/mits-hagelstein-demos-jet-energy-cold-fusion-to-mass-state-senator-tarr/


Enjoy,

Chess