FIRST FREE ENERGY DEVICE REACHES MARKET IN OCTOBER -- The Game Changer is Here

[Gwandau]

Chess,

thanks for keeping this thread interesting and alive.

What is really pathetic about the recurrent sceptic posting vigorously in this thread for some time now,
is not only the transparent act of disguising his negative vibes behind old schoolbook rigidity or his unability to realize that he actually is far from
being objective and neutral, but the actual act of openly ignoring the reports regarding the progress made worldwide in this area of research.

Is this deliberate or is it only ignorance?  If the latter, it needs a certain amount of stupor to make such ignorance possible.

Gwandau

[MileHigh]

Gwandau:

You too stop making yourself look like a "free energy Moonie" and just be a real person.  Can you handle that or is that just too real for you?

I fully understand that there are some interesting reports out there but I'm not going to be reading all of them.  There are decent checks and balances in the overall science reporting system and certainly companies like Brillouin or Rossi's companies have not made the breakout into mainstream science.  They still fly under the RADAR and it's still to be determined if these propositions will get acceptance with peer review and more importantly, if they will pass multiple tests of independent third party validation.

So I am not jumping on the bandwagon right now because I am leery due to the history of systems like this and how corrupted and misleading they can be.

Take a look at this, dudes:

Ronald Richter (1909â€"1991) was an Austrian, later Argentine, scientist who became famous in connection with the Huemul Project and the National Atomic Energy Commission. This was intended to generate energy from nuclear fusion in the 1950s in Argentina, during the presidency of Juan Perón. Richter's project would deliver â€" according to Perón's 1951 announcements â€" cheap energy in containers of two sizes: half liter and one liter, not unlike the milk bottles then in use.

In 1951 Richter announced that he had achieved controlled nuclear fusion under laboratory conditions; a claim that was later proven false, it transpiring that Richer had simply exploded hydrogen in an electric arc.^[7]
After it became evident that Richter's project was spurious, Perón appointed a technical committee which included José Balseiro, a former faculty member at the La Plata Institute of Physics, which was to report directly to him whether Richter's project should be discontinued. The committee analyzed Richter's work and concluded that the actual temperature reached in his experiments was far too low to produce a true thermonuclear reaction. They reported their findings to Perón in September 1952 and soon after that project was terminated.

And this:

This German “scientist” had succeeded in convincing Perón that he was capable of producing atomic energy. Perón had an atomic plant built for him . . . The country lacked cement to build homes, yet tons of mortar were shuttled to Huemul. With his raincoat and his tousled hair, Richter looked like a mad scientist, and he made everyone laugh â€" except Perón, who for once was very serious. Evita would say, “The General is very naive.” Needless to say, nothing came of this endeavor.
â€" Dujovne Ortiz, 1996

Back to you:

Is this deliberate or is it only ignorance?  If the latter, it needs a certain amount of stupor to make such ignorance possible.

Bullshit, it's using my common sense.  Just like when I laugh when some people around here claimed that they would be reproducing a supposed Rossi LENR reactor as soon as they could reverse-engineer one.  They make it sound like it's as complicated as going to your workbench and making a wooden book rack.  It's ridiculous.

The ignorance is on your side when you blindly believe that this alleged technology is real when it is controversial and has not been demonstrated and verified by independent third-party testers.  Whether you like it or not, this whole realm of energy propositions has been tainted by fraudulent players in the past - it stinks - and because of that the bar is set very high.  The bar is set very high because it has to be set high for historical reasons.

You guys are too much.  I am just saying that we need real proof to back up the claims and you guys start wanking off to your MIB fantasies.

MileHigh

[MileHigh]

Going back to Rossi, of course people should be concerned about safety issues.  If you guys can't envision the optics in this day and age with respect to having a nuclear reactor in your home then get your heads out of the sand.  Some pregnant women won't even go near a microwave oven, imagine how they would react to a gamma-ray-producing (??) nuclear reactor in their basement.

By the way: we are working very hard on the temperatures, and we have reached a tremendous goal in the last week. We are making a test which endures since a week, that could make a revolution in the revolution. It will go ahead for a month.  For now, just working.

May 5th
Dear Dr Joseph Fine:
I agree. It’s Saturday, but today and tomorrow we will work 24 hours a day on the reactor we have made here in the USA: we have stabilized it at very high temperatures…and when I say very high I mean it. We understood the reason of the instability, so now the work is going on hard.

So, it's May 5th 2012 and Rossi is still working on a project that was supposed to "reach the market in October 2011."  That's food for thought right there.

However, what I really wanted to mention is this whole notion of "stabilization at high temperature" sounds fishy to me.  Of course I don't know the details but what I do know is this:

If you assume that you are drawing heat off of a reactor core with water, then you can in theory generate any temperature you want, it just depends on your water/steam flow rate.   Higher flow equals lower temperature and lower flow equals higher temperature.

Let's assume normal steam is 100C and superheated steam (what you need for power generation with steam turbines) is 250 C (a guess).  Relative to a reactor based on a metallic nickel power core, I find it hard to see that higher temperature making much of a difference to the nickel metal powder core.  Nickel melts at 1453C so what's the problem???

It all sounds fishy.  Even the fact that Rossi is now "catching up to the competition" sounds fishy.  How could he not know that the production of dry superheated steam is the obvious desired heat output method since driving steam turbine generators for the production of electricity is the 'killer app' for his E-Cat?

One more time, this latest twist to the Rossi tale where he is only now talking about the ability to output higher temperatures to produce superheated steam makes the whole thing look highly suspicious.

Plus "going for superheated steam production" translates into "wait two more years before you have a hope of seeing something concrete from us."

Personally I don't believe that there is an E-Cat doing useful work anywhere in the world right now.  Where are the industrial chicken farmers that need cheap low-grade heat to keep their chicken coops warm and Rossi's E-Cat?

MileHigh

[Magluvin]

MIT is one of the most prestigious technology and research universities in the United States. The presence of a cold fusion research course there is exciting because it indicates growing mainstream scientific acceptance of LENR. MIT is a bastion of the US scientific establishment. It also has close connections to the US military industrial complex and much of the work there is financed by the Pentagon. This could mean that official cold fusion research is about to begin at the school which would be a welcome development.

http://energycatalyzer3.com/news/cold-fusion-being-studied-at-mit

Look Mile High, MIT is full of "Free Energy Moonies"  Maybe you should get in contact with MIT to tell them they are making a grave mistake in providing classes on cold fusion.

Im sure  you can insult them enough to follow your leader.   

Like Wilby said, your stuck in the 70's. You resort to insulting the couple people of this thread because you   "I fully understand that there are some interesting reports out there but I'm not going to be reading all of them. "    of course you will not be reading all of them, like these guys do in this thread. Yet you claim to be the ONE with all the info needed to insult and condemn the thoughts and sayings of the people of this thread as if they know nothing at all.

Lol, you think insults are a way to get people to understand you. Thats how all people with abusive tendencies think.  Sick in the head, the place where the brain is, just in case you have never bothered to read up on this.

And you tell these guys to get real?  Freak

Mags n The Moonies

[MileHigh]

Magluvin:

I am not saying that various variations LENR are all a con job.  However nor am I convinced that various variations on LENR are all legitimate either.  It's also possible that effects seen in a test tube cannot be reproduced or scaled up to a working reactor that can produce power on an industrial scale.  There is also the possibility that for some of the papers submitted that pathological science is at play:

Pathological science is the process by which "people are tricked into false results ... by subjective effects, wishful thinking or threshold interactions"

If you know chemistry and you are not familiar with electrical measurements or beaming EM waves into a metal sample then you could be thrown off in your measurements.

All that I am counseling is to hold back on judgement until a real demo is done with credible verifiable third-party testing.  That's what these companies are promising after all.  It's a joke that this point is causing consternation.

And you still want to be a belligerent asshole with respect to me because I stated your one-magnet no-bearing spinning magnet thingie would never work.  I said that it is based on a clip that is an outright lie and I think the author of that clip is a friend of yours so you got rabid.  So tell me, how is that project going?  How about the other project with the spinning pair of magnets and the magic inductor that reverses the current flow?  Can you explain that one and how is that project coming along?

MileHigh