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[chessnyt]

@Everyone:
Once again, Rossi makes it clear that the high temperature reactors (steam) will only be for the industrial version of the E-Cat.

The results from the new series of testing being conducted (high temperature) on the industrial E-Cat will be released as soon as they are completed.

Andrea Rossi
May 8th, 2012 at 3:56 PM

"Dear Mario P.:

http://www.ecat.com is the right site, as long as this blog, to get our news. About the new high temperature reactors ( which will be only for industrial use) we will give adjournments after the test campaign we are making.

Warm Regards,
A.R.

Steven N. Karels
May 9th, 2012 at 8:41 AM

"Dear Andrea Rossi,

I know you have demonstrated eCat before and the critics have found fault with the demonstration, disputed the interpretation of the results, etc.With the upcoming residential eCat models, with a much lower output, I would suggest a public test with the following criteria/conditions.

a. The test be conducted in the US at a place of your choice.
b. The independent observer provide the “extension cord” from the wall outlet to your system for all consumed electrical power. This “extension cord” would have a separation in the wires to permit Ampmeter monitoring of electrical input power during the test. If possible, it should be a computer monitored, periodic read-out. Part of the pre-test should include the independent observer measuring the current against a known load (e.g., a lamp with known load)
c. Increase the water flow so that boiling is not achieved. Measure the water flow both by a calibrated flowmeter and the weight over time method.
d. Monitor the input and output temperature continuously with computer logging.
e. Conduct the test with continuous monitoring for a sufficient length of time to eliminate chemical energy as a means of explaining the results. Say a month long test?
f. The independent observer should conduct both pre-test and post-test calibrations of all test equipment to verify their accuracy and that they have not changed.

Do that and the nay-sayers will be silent or converted."

Andrea Rossi
May 9th, 2012 at 9:26 AM

"Dear Steven N. Karels:

"...there will be no problems at all to do what you say when the Ecats will be on the market. Everybody will be free to buy an E-Cat and make all the test he wants. We made all the tests we had to make and we have absolutely not time to lose with naysayers who will debunk anyway whatever we will make. We have to work, not to chatter. We have a production to make for our Customers. Naysayers are the last of our problem.

Warm Regards,
A.R."

Like I stated before, I absolutely agree with Rossi concerning future demonstrations.

Naysayers will always say that there are hidden wires, power supply or rigged test equipment should another demonstration be arranged.  A good case and point would be the demonstration of Larskro's magnet motor in which he now admits that it is a fake. 

If you are completely skeptical, then I would suggest that you NOT invest any money in Rossi's Corporation (I believe he says it is only accepting investments from hedge funds anyways). 

WAIT for the product to arrive on a store shelf and buy one.  Then take it home and have it properly installed.  Now take out EVERY piece of test equipment you have and test the living hell out of the device.  Then simply make some videos and post your results (upload your videos) on YouTube.  Rossi will not be present at your own private residence to rig any of your tests so you can be sure that none of the results can be faked.  If the device doesn't work and you end up with a giant paperweight, ask other E-Cat owners to join you in a class action lawsuit and if you do, a judge will most likely force Rossi to pay your legal fees as well as damages (providing Rossi has defrauded you).  You will still come out ahead 


Regards,

Chess

[MileHigh]

Chess:

Your response to Poit is illogical.  The stated delivery for home units is now 2013.  Poit is asking if he can get a home unit by September 2012.  He means a physical device delivered to his door.  So the answer to Poit's question is "no."

Rossi's real response to Steven Karel's question is an evasive non-answer.  He should have simply stated that no devices will be tested publicly before he launches his product.  He will have to give or sell samples to trade journals, etc, before or at the same time he officially starts selling them to customers.  It's the way products are launched.  People want to read product reviews online and in magazines.  So at some point whether Rossi likes it or not, somebody will test his units and review them.  Assuming that awareness is much higher by then, you can assume that millions of people will be flocking to the web sites that have reviews.

So we will see what happens.

I looked at the ecat.com web site and there is no home unit shown yet, just a CAD model.  2013 is not that far away!

MileHigh

[chessnyt]

@Poit:
FALSE.  The answer to your question is yes.  The truth is that you can order and have delivered an over unity device from Rossi and it will be delivered to you before September.

You had better order your unit now if you expect to get it delivered before September.  Chop chop or you'll miss your own deadline 

Rossi has set the release date for the home E-Cat units to some time before the end of 2013.

"The ECAT 1 MW Plant is available for pre-ordering now with an estimated delivery time of 3 months. The first generation of ECAT Home products will be available in 2013."

link:
http://ecat.com/ecat-questions/when-will-the-ecat-be-available


Regards,

Chess

Poit:
"What I define as nothing? simple, can I or can I not buy (and get it delivered!) a OU device from rossi? to date, the answer is no. "

Like I said:
The truth is that you can order and have delivered an over unity device from Rossi and it will be delivered to you before September.  Notice I didn't say HOME UNIT!  I said OVER UNITY DEVICE    If Poit orders now, he can purchase an "OU device from Rossi".  The turnaround time on the 1MW E-Cats is 3 months.  That's how he could get it before September.  Of course Poit would have to qualify before Rossi would sell a 1MW unit to him but it is possible he could meet the requirements and take delivery 3 months from now.

Of course some people could not figure out what I just posted without me explaining it in great detail as I just have here.  But then again, some people want you to just listen to them over NASA scientists and Nobel Prize winning scientists even though they have never heard of quadrium    You see, being ignorant in science makes some people a greater authority than NASA or Nobel Prize winning scientists   

As far as ratings and trade journals go; Rossi can do what he wants.  If it were rated, then just what in the world would you compare it with or rate it against?  It's the first of its kind in its class!!!  You can't really be serious


Chess

[Poit]

Poit:
"What I define as nothing? simple, can I or can I not buy (and get it delivered!) a OU device from rossi? to date, the answer is no. "

Like I said:
The truth is that you can order and have delivered an over unity device from Rossi and it will be delivered to you before September.  Notice I didn't say HOME UNIT!  I said OVER UNITY DEVICE    If Poit orders now, he can purchase an "OU device from Rossi".  The turnaround time on the 1MW E-Cats is 3 months.  That's how he could get it before September.  Of course Poit would have to qualify before Rossi would sell a 1MW unit to him but it is possible he could meet the requirements and take delivery 3 months from now.

Of course some people could not figure out what I just posted without me explaining it in great detail as I just have here.  But then again, some people want you to just listen to them over NASA scientists and Nobel Prize winning scientists even though they have never heard of quadrium    You see, being ignorant in science makes some people a greater authority than NASA or Nobel Prize winning scientists   

As far as ratings and trade journals go; Rossi can do what he wants.  If it were rated, then just what in the world would you compare it with or rate it against?  It's the first of its kind in its class!!!  You can't really be serious


Chess

@Chess, Ok, I will submit to your reasoning. I accept that I could order a 1MW over unity device and have it at my place before September (which probably wouldn't happen, Australia is so backwards, I am not even allowed to order an electric motor cycle!! let alone a nuclear device (I know, I know, but thats WHAT the government would see it as). Besides all of that, thats just delivery issues, the point is, yes, OU @ my door. BUT! at what cost? like, literally, what cost?$$? assuming I have a spare mil laying around (which I don't!) then your statement would be true and feasible. But like someone already pointed out, the home unit is really what I am after. Albeit that wasn't what I originally said, but that IS what I meant.

Chess, what is all this talk about the home unit not being able to make steam? I hardly see the point in such a unit (apart from the obvious = heating your house).... why would Rossi not make the home unit produce steam? and if that really is the case, can it be modded TO produce steam? (I guess the last question would be impossible to know till 2013 right?)

[chessnyt]

@Chess, Ok, I will submit to your reasoning. I accept that I could order a 1MW over unity device and have it at my place before September (which probably wouldn't happen, Australia is so backwards, I am not even allowed to order an electric motor cycle!! let alone a nuclear device (I know, I know, but thats WHAT the government would see it as). Besides all of that, thats just delivery issues, the point is, yes, OU @ my door. BUT! at what cost? like, literally, what cost?$$? assuming I have a spare mil laying around (which I don't!) then your statement would be true and feasible. But like someone already pointed out, the home unit is really what I am after. Albeit that wasn't what I originally said, but that IS what I meant.

Chess, what is all this talk about the home unit not being able to make steam? I hardly see the point in such a unit (apart from the obvious = heating your house).... why would Rossi not make the home unit produce steam? and if that really is the case, can it be modded TO produce steam? (I guess the last question would be impossible to know till 2013 right?)

@Poit:
I predict that electric utility providers and large industrial factories will be the ones to purchase the 1MW E-Cats for the most part, but only when it's fully ready to produce high temperature steam (which is in the near future due to Rossi's advancements as of late).

If the home units were able to make high temperature steam, then you would need a boiler in order to accumulate the proper/necessary steam pressure to run an efficient steam turbine. 

The problem is in obtaining the proper permits (at least in the U.S.) to purchase and operate the boiler.  It doesn't matter where the boiler comes from.  It would still need to be inspected and permitted by local government.  It may even require proper zoning as well.  This would make it difficult to obtain permits in residentially zoned areas/properties.

Besides the boiler issues, Rossi would have safety restrictions to overcome with UL that would far exceed the issues he faces presently with his low temperature system as is.  This would futher delay the release of the home E-Cat for public use.

Now just addressing Rossi's system (the home E-Cat); if it produces high temperature steam, then even a leak anywhere in the output lines can cause serious damage to life and property as high pressure leaks are almost invisible to the naked eye yet they can be sufficient to sever human limbs.  This is the other safety risks involved in such a system besides the potential for the boiler to explode (which could also cause great bodily harm and take out walls in close proximity).

My plan is to purchase one of his home E-Cats and use it to drive a "wet" steam engine with a lower temperature boiler in series which in turn would drive an inefficient electric generator.  My whole idea is not to produce enough power to run my entire house.  Rather, I would simply be running a small generator in which I could charge a bank of batteries with while I'm sleeping (for 8 hours) and while I'm at work (for 10 hours more). 

My house would actually be powered by a bank of batteries (DC) which would be converted to alternating current via an inverter.  Think of it as a solar type of system minus the solar cells with a steam engine and generator in their place. 

I would still probably have to obtain a permit for the boiler but I would need to check with the city to find out if this would be allowed.

If the system is allowed by the city (and that's a BIG IF) then I would build the system and  make plans for others to copy my system. 

You have stated the most popular use of the home E-Cat which is indeed home heating.  More specifically, homes located in cold regions where electric heaters are cost prohibitive.  These are homes that are usually equipted with heating systems that require heating oil.  Rossi can save these people a small fortune relatively quickly.


Regards,

Chess