FIRST FREE ENERGY DEVICE REACHES MARKET IN OCTOBER -- The Game Changer is Here

[MileHigh]

Gwandau:

I was really looking forward to the Rossi demo and when it happened I was very disappointed because of the kooky output setup and that feeling was shared by many others.  And then Defkalion seems to be on shaky ground.  The distant cousin Blacklight Power has zero credibility in my mind right now.  So there is disagreement about the test results.  So we can simply agree to disagree for now and see what the future holds.

I must emphasize I was expecting much different results as compared to what was presented.  I was hoping to feel confident and convinced.  I was hoping that the general consensus would be positive.

Outside the free energy enthusiast bubble, there is a lot of sentiment like mine.  Sometimes a good article on a popular web site will generate hundreds of comments.  You should sometimes read all 240 comments.  You get a broader perspective on what the sentiment is like and you can also learn from others.

Because of all of that, we are still at the starting line, because the previous starts were false starts, in my opinion.  It's frustrating how these things always seem to implode.

I understand that there are lots of positive reports from test labs, but those people are not trying to develop a product.  I don't follow the saga to that level of detail.  So to keep it simple, I want to see what the leader is doing.  He is supposed to be the one at the forefront.

This is what my assessment of the situation is telling me.  Now is that so bad, my perspective on things?

Like I said, I wanted to be convinced when Rossi did his demo.  Instead, it felt like one of the many infamous Steorn demos.  I understand energy reasonably well, and I had reasonable expectations for a demo, and those expectations were not met by a long-shot.  I feel I have enough knowledge and experience under my belt to evaluate the merits of the demo.

Wilby:

I am just telling you what I honestly felt.  You are the only person on the whole forum that evoked that response in me.

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That's you dude all the way and perhaps you should get some psychological counseling.

I don't normally call other people trolls as a matter of course.  And I couldn't care less if you are going to do some string searches for 20+ minutes to "catch me red-handed."  Notice the logic in the sentence?  I am not explicitly stating that I have never done it.  Knowing you you probably dump all the text you page through into an encrypted log file on your hard drive.

MileHigh

[Gwandau]

MileHigh,

I fully respect your choice of being sceptical, as long you respect my choice of being optimistic.
There is no problem whatsoever in respecting another persons point of view without having to share this view.

I have said this before and I say this again:   Regarding the Andrea Rossi project, the weight of the material backing up a sceptical viewpoint does not differ anything from the weight of the material backing up an optimistic viewpoint. At this point it is just an expression of the state of mind expressed by the individual character of preference. We are all standing in the waiting line, only the expressions on our faces differ.

Can we agree on that?

If you do, it may be of value for you to read the background behind the optimistic version, since it is much more fun to be optimistic.


As I mentioned earlier there is a fully understandable reason for the somewhat peculiar actions of Andrea Rossi other than the reason of being fraudulent.
First of all, he is not a scientist with any academic merits in nuclear physics, and probably really don't know exactly what he has stumbled upon.
Secondly, he keeps the secret to himself, quite burned historically and extremely afraid to make his secret known, especially with the Defkalion rip off in close memory.


As a result of this there is a quite simple reason for him not being able to construct big scale LENR reactors for MW-scale energy production. He just don't know enough about the physics behind the reaction to accomplish such a feat. All he know is how to trigger a 10KW reactor into starting LENR without making the nickel powder melt.
He may optimize the parameters involved in the E-cat and he may put the E-cat into serial or parallell clusters for MW-production units, but that's were it ends as long as he keeps the secret for himself.

The many hour tests performed both in Bologna and in Sweden was closely monitored by the two Swedish Scientists from the prestigious Swedish University of Uppsala, and they did not fail in their absolutely correct scientifically performed observation. They did not leave anything out. Everything, from the feed values coming from the grid to the heat production, was scrutinized, and on all occasions they came to the simple conclusion that no other explanation than a nuclear reaction of sorts could possibly be the source. You have to keep in mind that many times when the input from the grid was disconnected, the reactors actually showed remarkable increases in heat production for several hours.

What makes you doubt the conclusions made by the Swedish nuclear physiscists? Do you really think they missed something? You should know that one of the scientists was a great sceptic to anything relating to LENR at that time in 2010 and to Andrea Rossi in particular, in fact, besides being known in the academic circles as a merited nuclear scientist he is also well known here in Sweden to be chairman in an organization called The Sceptics. Myself any many others here in Sweden expected him to return triumphant in his success in debunking Andreas Rossi. So he actually went down to Bologna to expose Andrea Rossi, but instead to his great surprise returned to Sweden as a convinced person.

The tests and observations performed by the Swedish scientists was impeccable executed, and as far as Andrea Rossi was concerned, he did not have any more time to spend on public evaluations. The calculated time needed to accomplish his production plans before anybody else got ahead of him was short and since he did not want to share his secret with anyone, he was confined to the limitations of such a decision.

Here, MileHigh, is a fork in the road. Either you decide to believe the Swedish scientists by accepting the validity of their observations, or you don't.


Observing the pecularities in the Andrea Rossi project from this angle explains perfectly his course of actions, since he in such case is fully aware of the fact that he in due time will be totally run over by much more scientificly backed up competitors, who most likely will get the correct patents granted in regard to the physics behind the LENR process, which shortly therafter will get him engaged in a long, futile and expensive court process against his superiors.

He is probably also fully aware that he never will get any patents granted based on his somewhat layman-like assumptions about whats going on in the LENR process.

In short, Andrea Rossi just want to have a fair share of something that he feels rightly belong to him, and this is the only way for him to do it without disclosing the secret to anyone. As he says himself: This is a war going on, with enemies on several levels.


Standing in the line with a smile,
Gwandau

[Rosemary Ainslie]

Observing the peculiarities in the Andrea Rossi project from this angle explains perfectly his course of action, since he in such case is fully aware of the fact that he in due time will be totally run over by much more scientifically backed up competitors, who most likely will get the correct patents granted in regard to the physics behind the LENR process, which shortly therafter will get him engaged in a long, futile and expensive court process against his superiors.

He is probably also fully aware that he never will get any patents granted based on his somewhat layman-like assumptions about whats going on in the LENR process. In short, Andrea Rossi just want to have a fair share of something that he feels rightly belong to him, and this is the only way for him to do it without disclosing the secret to anyone. As he says himself: This is a war going on, with enemies on several levels.

Standing in the line with a smile,

My dear Gwandau,

I hope, sincerely, that there will be no effective patents on LENR technologies once these are getting sold.  But IF there are, then I also sincerely believe that the advantage must go to Rossi.  Without his contribution we would never have got LENR to that megawatt level.  And whether that knowledge be intuitive or learned - the fact is that it took Rossi's experimental genius to expose this - and no-one else's.  For this I think we're all indebted.  With good reason.

Kindest regards,
Rosemary

[Gwandau]

Rosemary,

I wish the best for the future of the Andrea Rossi revolution, and it would be wonderful if the world acknowledged his patent applications as fully valid scientific descriptions,
but as long as Germany declines his applications, which they have done because of the halting scientific context in the applications, he will continue to be vulnerable to his far
more experienced competitiors the very moment his technology get's into the open. Germany and the other european countries say they can't grant a patent that are referring to a process that is not validated within the contemporary accepted scientific area of knowledge, and the rest of the european countries will obediently follow Germany. The patent he got granted in Italy is unfortunately not considered as carrying the weight of an internationallly valid scientific patent.

So due to the novelty of his discovery, he has got into a "Moment 22"-like situation where old scientific facts are opposing his findings, obstructing his way to a world patent.
Hopefully he will find a way around this problem, but since he refuses to share all parameters behind his E-cat with anyone, he will have to do the fight against his competitors
on uneven terms when he finally releases his product. Already guys like Piantelli are claiming the rights to the LENR process in several patent applications, based upon the well known facts that Piantelli did LENR research long before Andrea Rossi.

We can only hope that the world is going fair upon the fate of Andrea Rossi, but if not, it's not the first time we will experience injustice executed openly.
Whatever happens, LENR is here to stay, and it's a great adventure to follow all this in a paradigm shifting world that soon are going to take a completetely new direction.

Gwandau

[MileHigh]

Gwandau:

You mentioned how the Swedish nuclear physicists became converts to Rossi's research and I agree that is very interesting.  I can't really comment further, I am not going to do research into their findings, etc.  I only have so much bandwidth to devote to this.

So even though you are convinced because of this information, I am still looking towards Rossi and his derivatives for convincing definitive proof that thee is a working fully functional reactor.  Factoring in Rossi's behaviour and factoring in the track record in the free energy realm, for me this overrides the comments from the credible Swedish nuclear physicists.  It's just the way I think and evaluate situations.

Just to give it some context, do you ever read Sterling Allen's pesn dot com site?  Almost everything that is written up on his site is junk.  Almost nothing ever comes to fruition.  It's like a place to expose free energy con artists much more than it is a place to promote emerging free energy technologies.  Recently there was a South African "company" that claimed that they had a free energy cliche, the good old batteries driving a motor driving a generator which then outputs excess power as free energy and at the same time recharges the batteries.  That's the oldest cliche in the book.  They contacted Sterling and stated that they had it now and it was real.  Sterling flew to South Africa.  The whole thing was a pathetic joke, a sham, and the company is not delivering units to anybody and I predict they never will.  Mark Dansie showed up to make some serious measurements and they would not even let him inside the building.  This nonsense happens all the time.  We are seeing the same thing right now with the magic buoyancy device that tricks gravity and Mother Nature.  Sure.

So, we can certainly agree that at least I myself have to wait for more definitive results from Rossi and the other contenders.  Only the real thing will satisfy me and I can smell bullshit from a mile away.

MileHigh