FIRST FREE ENERGY DEVICE REACHES MARKET IN OCTOBER -- The Game Changer is Here

[TinselKoala]

@MH:.... that's what you get for standing downwind !!

[Rosemary Ainslie]

Rosemary,

I wish the best for the future of the Andrea Rossi revolution, and it would be wonderful if the world acknowledged his patent applications as fully valid scientific descriptions, but as long as Germany declines his applications, which they have done because of the halting scientific context in the applications, he will continue to be vulnerable to his far more experienced competitiors the very moment his technology get's into the open. Germany and the other european countries say they can't grant a patent that are referring to a process that is not validated within the contemporary accepted scientific area of knowledge, and the rest of the european countries will obediently follow Germany. The patent he got granted in Italy is unfortunately not considered as carrying the weight of an internationallly valid scientific patent.

So due to the novelty of his discovery, he has got into a "Moment 22"-like situation where old scientific facts are opposing his findings, obstructing his way to a world patent. Hopefully he will find a way around this problem, but since he refuses to share all parameters behind his E-cat with anyone, he will have to do the fight against his competitors on uneven terms when he finally releases his product. Already guys like Piantelli are claiming the rights to the LENR process in several patent applications, based upon the well known facts that Piantelli did LENR research long before Andrea Rossi.

We can only hope that the world is going fair upon the fate of Andrea Rossi, but if not, it's not the first time we will experience injustice executed openly. Whatever happens, LENR is here to stay, and it's a great adventure to follow all this in a paradigm shifting world that soon are going to take a completetely new direction.

Gwandau

Hello Gwandau,

I simply don't understand this at all.  In the first instance - after the granting of a provisional patent which is usually managed in one's country of origin - the requirement is to lodge a patent in the International Patenting office in Geneva.  Certainly as I was given to understand this process.  The patent which must be application orientated - is then published to address 'prior art' claims.  Not one sentence of 'theory' needs be included.  But all aspects of the patent must then be revealed as this is the basis of the protection that patents offer.  So.  Why then is Rossi withholding information?  If this then precludes protection from those patents?  It simply doesn't add up.  None of it. 

Then.  I do not personally care if there are patenting rights or not.  Frankly.  I believe his units will sell like hot cakes and that no competitor will be able to elbow in effectively, until they've invested as he has done, in sophisticated production.  By then his product will be established... and he'll automatically get the edge that he deserves.  Defkalion - I suspect - are under specific contractual agreement.  They are probably only effective competitors if they keep the technology 'secret' which would be in terms of that non disclosure agreement that Rossi would have asked for.  And if they don't - then they'll have to cough up more than just a licensing fee. And again.  This is only what I 'suspect'.  Which is why they have to keep their little black box 'tamper free'.  Hence the requirement that it 'implode' should the box be opened for reverse engineering purposes.  And that 'implosion' potential is PRECISELY why I, for one, would NEVER buy from them.

Compliance to standard theory has never been a requirement for any patenting with the entire exception, surprisingly, of 'cold fusion'.  This was the excessive knee jerk reaction to the threat of 'cold fusion' that was also orchestrated by Dr Vest.  And what he did was suggest that our patent offices could be subject to abuse from 'pathological science' and their 'pathological' scientists.  But even that limitation was easily exceeded courtesy renaming 'cold fusion' 'LENR'.  I believe also that the European offices precluded 'perpetual motion' machines - some time back now.  Possibly around 1900 or thereby.

So.  No amount of 'theory' is required.  Not according to my own advices - which, admittedly - are a decade old by now.  And frankly, none of this matters. When Rossi's technology is available - and subject to its being reasonably reverse 'engineerable' (terrible word... )then those that want to can 'buy'.  And those that don't - can make.  And those that can both make and sell - then they may or may not pay a small percentage of their profit to Rossi.  That depends on the patent.  It will be interesting.  My own hope is that Rossi makes himself a fortune.  He well deserves this.  Together with our accolades. 

Kindest regards,
Rosemary

[Rosemary Ainslie]

@MH:.... that's what you get for standing downwind !!

Then I suspect that poor MileHigh's NOSE is upwind from your own address.  And that stench that fills his nose - is the sad decay of your arguments that are rotting from want of some vital logic.

Rosie Pose 

Here's MileHigh's first reference...

So, we can certainly agree that at least I myself have to wait for more definitive results from Rossi and the other contenders.  Only the real thing will satisfy me and I can smell bullshit from a mile away.

MileHigh

[tinu]

Not a single over glorifying post for today?!!!
How disappointing… 
Tinu

[chessnyt]

@Everyone:
I read an article today with the latest news on the E-Cat's progress.  The following are excerpts from this article:

"Andrea Rossi stated in the email that the new high temperature E-Cat â€" that can produce 600 degree steam with a COP of 6 â€" has been operating continuously for 40 days. That’s right, 40 days! Forty!

Forget 18 hour tests like the one Dr. Levi performed in 2011. This test has lasted so far for 960 (nine hundred and sixty) hours, and is planned to last at least 90 days. The E-Cat has been operating non-stop producing 600 degree steam. This is big news. It should be on the front page of every newspaper in the nation, and being discussed on every news network. It means that the solution to the energy crisis is here. There is no further need for ridiculous carbon trading schemes that destroy jobs, no more need to fund hot fusion research (that has never obtained even a COP of 1.1 with billions of dollars in funding), and no need to put millions of dollars into conventional alternative energy technologies. Wind, solar, hydroelectric, geothermal, and other energy technologies are about to be obsolete. Fossil fuels are going to be considered worse than obsolete. They will belong in the fossil fuel age, not the nickel age."

For the full article, here's the link:
http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/06/rossi-provides-more-information-on-high-temperature-e-cat-test/


Best Regards,

Chess