Lifting 660 grams with 110.

[JEJEHO]

Hi Nic,

As per vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCALAuUYy6c , 110 grams over 115 cm lifts 665g over 30 mm. Raised mass height is measured by inserting 30 mm wood plate under bob at highest point and leaving it there.

Please correct the above, if input is 115 cm and output is only 30mm it is not over unity.

Regards
Nixon

[nicbordeaux]

Thx for pointing that out. It's of course 115 mm loss of height of 110 grams as input, not 115 cm     .

The dia of the wheel is 230 mm, 1/2 corresponding to a release from 3 or 9 o' clock position must be approx 115 

Otherwise, I have an issue with the word "Overunity" or "OU". Conservation of Energy seem's ok except on the sub-atomic level with all those silly neutrinos and their family (rien ne se crée, rien ne se perd). In the case of this pendulum, all the energy can be accounted for. But the result is "anamolous". There is no creation of energy, just use of conflict and probably "harmonics" . A simple OB wheel on a stand has enough energy to make a full turn. It doesn't. Easy to conclude that it doesn't make a turn because of heat and noise detracting from the energy available. In fact, most of the missing energy is dispersed into the system as strain. Extra energy is available from gravity : the weight of the whole wheel, OB weight and stand is doing nothing, whereas it can be tapped. Just stick the assembly on some springs and see that gravity is acting on and potentially available from the entire weight. This is partly what the pendulum shows.

Hi Nic,

As per vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCALAuUYy6c , 110 grams over 115 cm lifts 665g over 30 mm. Raised mass height is measured by inserting 30 mm wood plate under bob at highest point and leaving it there.

Please correct the above, if input is 115 cm and output is only 30mm it is not over unity.

Regards
Nixon

[nicbordeaux]

It's an interesting idea and I've tried it, albeit w/o much conviction, because the counter-effect of spring is too hard to control, so tends to be counter-productive. But theoretically, yes, a plus. There are more predictable ways of getting much more performance from the system for the same input.

Best rgds

Hello nicbordeaux,

very intersting idea. You have uncouplet the two planes of inertia of both masses : the bob and the swinging Pendulum. This is not the case with the Milkovic - Penulum
Instantly when I saw your video I remembered a communication with Alan Cresswell long time ago who had this proposal in Diagram 21 on his website. If you implement a spring on which the small 110 gr-weight is attached - guided vertically - you might impove the output by providing an additional degree of freedom

http://www.unifiedtheory.org.uk/

good luck

Kator01

[Kator01]

Hello nic,

I understand. Another idea would be to have the weight-relations build according to the golden ratio:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio

Given : small weight attached at the 553 gr-Wheel = X
          Weight of bobin to be lifted  = Y

Now: Total mass of swinging Pendulum ( 553 gr + X gr) in relation to the bigger weight 553 Gr = 1,61803
giving X = 341,77

and then same ration between all masses involved 553 gr + 341,77 gr + Ygr in relation to Ybobin gr = 1,61803

would give Ybobin = 552,99 gr

It is just one combination. Any other ideas ?

Regards

Kator01

[Kator01]

Hi nic,

concerning your video here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9igFhQnP38

very similar stuff here by user pequaide. I would suggest you start reading it from the beginning. I was involved in the discussion for some time.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=1995.0

You are correct with your observation about the ball stopping and going in reverse. This happens when the tether is streched at its full length. This is what pequaide called the total impuls-transfer from the wheel to the fly-away-mass so that the flywheel will stop turning for a brief moment before the reversal action takes place.
If you increase the weigth of the ball and find the right ratio to the weight of the wheel.

Now, if you increase the weigth of the ball stepwise you will experience at some point a full-stop of the wheel before the reverse action occurs.

Impuls-transfer speeds up the ball-weight to such a degree that you have be very careful.
Pequaide mentioned that when the wheel stops, the balls - he was using steelballs - carry all the velocity and energy is increased.

Watch the window and thf roof of your neighbor :-) The tether might not withstand these forces.

Regards

Kator01