Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells

[NickZ]

  I've also been mentioning many times before about the true cause of oxidation is oxygen, and yes it's in the water. The water that we can't do anything without.  I don't buy it, but I can't make cell that have any current without it.  Do we really need current. Do we?
Or is it that we just don't know how to avoid it, yet.
  Jim and Fausto are doing some interesting things with their carbon/mg cells, some with no additional water.
  Today I made a carbon beach sand cell, without removing the salt from the beach sand. I'll let you know more in a day or two, as to how it turns out.  But, so far it works well. Although, I know that salt and aluminum will deteriorate, muy pronto.
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[PhiChaser]

@ triffid: Sorry about the bad numbers but ANY positive numbers are good really... mA can do a lot (like IB said)!!! I'm trying to find a stable mix at around 0.75v and100mA but if I can do better I'm game. Just trying to stay away from copper and magnesium (at least for a while)... Pretty sure pultruded carbon rods don't corrode, and aluminum is pretty resilient (and cheap!). I already know it works, I just need amps like everyone else (or do we?!?).
@ IB: That magic mix is out there... Don't worry about 'those guys' dude, they're just like us. Shooting in the dark with a flashlight. Once I was enamoured with their 'ideals' until I discovered that they want the dollars to go with their popularity. Open source is not the place to make a fortune... Better to show the world how to build 'it' then to sell 'it' to the world.
More people working on a problem means more people working on a solution to that problem.
Power to the people!!

Cheers, happy experimenting all!!
PC

[hartiberlin]

I can't believe you got banned. It seems like everyone is getting banned left and right. The guy who owns Overunity.com is a great guy, he often gives me help with my cells. I tried to give my cells away to people who wanted them, no charge, even try to give one to Bedini but he did not want it. You're right jbignes5 and thanks for the audio. What sucks is that others hate me due to bedini being upset with me. I'll keep making my cells and I'll find the golden egg one day. 

Wow,
Bedini wants to have 200 US$ for his crystall battery kit ?

What do you get for this ?
Just the magnesium block and the copper plate and the electrolyte ?
or are they selling also the Joule Thief circuit and LED with it ?

Too bad to hear, that you got booted there from EForum.

Well then stay here !

I will soon join in again in the battery research.

Will be testing the AZ31X magnesium alloy rods soon.
I still need to find a method to coat them with a good oxide layer...
Maybe the Pyrite coating with Waterglas that Plengo is using will help ?

The Zamax alloy , which is an alloy of Zinc Aluminium and magnesium and copper .
The name zamak is an acronym of the German names for the metals of which the alloys are composed: Zink (zinc), Aluminium, Magnesium and Kupfer (copper).

See:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Zamak/112613222086205

It is the same as Durafix, ( alloy rods for repairing aluminium cases via soldering)
It is very nice, cause you can make and coat it with  a very hard black layer via electrolysis.

If you use this alloy in an electrolysis bath and use small percentage vinegar as the electrolyte
and put the Zamak ( Durafix rod) as the Plus pole, (When I remember correctly the polarity)
you get the black coating pretty fast on this rod, which is very hard and prtoects the rod from
fast decomposing.

Then use these rods as one electrode in your crystal battery.
The other electrode can be graphite or lampblack with a pencil lead.
You can add also snad or zeolite and use water or water with K2CO3 as the electrolyite.

I have not yet tested Epsom salt ( in Germany it is called: Bittersalz. you can get it here cheaply
in every Pharmacy fand 100 Gramms costs just only 1.50 Euroi)
and Alum yet, but I have recently bought these salts and
will soon begin to experiment again with this...

Btw, magnesium can be easily got by using using metallic pencil sharpeners
cause these are made from magnesium metall.

I hope this helps-

Search here for the aqua cells from Walt Hoffmann. He was the one who started
all this research with the Durafix rods. There are old threads here in the forum from
a few years ago...

Regards, Stefan.

[hartiberlin]

P.S. But the Durafix rods also decomposed after a long time, cause Walter and me used saltwater a few
years ago as the electrolyte in these batteries.

Maybe with just water and Epsom salt or just the Pyrite-Waterglas coating and using only
water this will not happen ?

We will find out...

Regards, Stefan.

[jbignes5]

Hello!


And thanks for the invite to stay. I tend not to judge someone on what they say I usually judge them by what they do. When called out Aaron quickly deleted my posts and banned me. It was because I was right. It was a mess really and I knew he would pull something like that. He told me That I didn't know anything because I did not do any experiments but IB and a few others know my work. Yes I theorize alot but I also put those theories to the test in my private lab.


The thing about Water. IB could you post the crystalline water link again so people might bet refreshed on the subject. The thing is, it is clear it is para-magnetic. remember there are two kinds of water. One that is saturated with oxygen and one that has very little in oxygen.The water we want is the in the epsoms salt. That is pure crystalline water. It has very little oxygen in it because it was built layer by layer and that does not include oxygen per say. Oxygen is only a binder in crystals and not used for much else. We need only a small amount to facilitate having the structure and then letting the water do it's job to ferret the charges across the gap of the electrodes.


I suspect we are gonna need to find a crystal interface for the magnesium so that we don't have to deal with corrosion because all the water and oxygen will be bound into the crystals upon growth. once we have a protective crystalline layer for the magnesium it will be easy to apply the crystalline electrolyte in a setting and let it grow itself closed to complete the circuit. Remember the crystals are like diodes. They transfer only one way efficiently via the trapped crystalline water inside. This water stays like it is because it has very little oxygen in it leaving just very compact water molecules. This of course raises it's capability to transfer charges across the network the crystals provide. If done right with the right shape and geometry the batteries could out perform anything we have today by tens of years.


Plengo's use of Iron pyrite is very interesting. He has shown that is does not allow oxidation of the magnesium and this should be checked again to see what is really going on. I have my theories as to the process but another person also made a battery from iron and the reversable rusting process. Edison I think it was. But I digress.


There are a lot of bright people out there. You have to be as bright to figure out who is in it and for what reasons they are searching. Most are so bright they let others do the work and claim it as their own all in the guise of open source. They patent ideas straight off the forums and then say they authored it when in fact many people had a hand in doing the leg work. No one here and I think you know who I am talking about.