another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.

[Rosemary Ainslie]

. Let's say that our utility supply is feeding current into an element on an electric stove to a temperature of say 260 degrees centigrade.
. Let's say that the element is has a resistance of 10 Ohms.  The source voltage is 220 volts.  The applied current is therefore 220/10 = 22 amps.
. Therefore the wattage delivered is 22 amps * 220 volts - which, according to my calculator is 2 200 watts.
. Now I assure you.  While that temperature over that resistor stays at that constant output of 260 degrees - there is no reduction in the rate of current flow.
. In other words our utility supplier both measures and charges for us for a wattage that they compute at 2 200 watts
. every second
. for every minute
. of each of those six hours
. giving a staggering product of 2200 x 60 x 60 x 6 hours being 47 520 000 watts.
. And not only that.  They can also PROVE that the current continued to flow during that entire cooking period.  Their bill is based on evidence.
. Then.  We turn off that current flow. 
. From that point onwards AND ONLY AT THAT POINT, our utility supplier closes off that little cooking account.  The balance of that cooking is for free.
. The pot will continue to boil - for a while - while the element cools - the water in the pot cools and finally that ox tail stops cooking.
. That little extra was for free.  Because from the point that the stove was turned off there was no more energy applied to that cooking procedure.

Now we go to our own experiment.
. Our temperature probe was attached to the surface of the element resistor.
. We took the element resistor to a measured temperature of plus/minus 260 degrees.  (from memory so I may be out by a small factor)
. It was continuing to rise and it was rather critical to prevent this becoming a catastrophic runaway number that could not be contained.
. Therefore an insulated container was then filled with approximately 1 liter of water.
. The element resistor was then inserted directly into that cold water.
. There was much splashing and a great noise as that hot iron hit the cold water
. Within not more than 5 minutes that water settled to an even temperature - approximately 66 degrees centigrade above ambient.
. Then it stayed at that temperature for a further 85 minutes or thereby.
. From the point that it was barely 40 degrees centigrade above ambient the water was steaming.
. When we measured 106 degrees centigrade from the probe attached to that element resistor we then stopped that experiment.
. We disconnected the batteries.
. We did no further measurements.

. I put it to you that for the duration of that test period being a total of approximately 105 minutes - energy was applied to that water
. in the same way as energy was applied to the stove that heated the ox tail.
. We did no further measurements after the disconnection of the battery supply.
. This experiment is repeatable.
. And the actual temperature over the element resistor required an applied energy or it would not have sustained a temperature
. That evidently exceeded 260 degrees centigrade or thereby at the conclusion of that test period.

Which is what I based that analysis on and which argument has been endorsed.  But I am yet open to correction.

Kindest regards,
Rosemary

[Rosemary Ainslie]

LOL Guys,

Some more bullet points. 

. Glen Lettenmaier (previously moderated) is enlisted by Harti for damage control to my own claims.  He's given carte blanche permission to do his damndest.
. Then Glen is cautioned to try and keep his posts topical. 
. Which caution is then publicly referenced as being 'removed' - which is all somewhat confusing.
. Then TK takes over the flaming as his arguments are better presented - his propagandising more effective. They work in concert. 
. Then Mags steps in to expose TK for the scoundrel that he is 
. Then MileHigh (previously banned) is enlisted for damage control against TK 
. Fortunately we can rest on MileHigh's advices.  And he assures us that TK is a 'good guy'.
. Thankfully he told us this.  Else we'd be inclined to think he was not. Whatever next?   

It seems that our forum guidelines are just that.  Guidelines.  And it seems that Harti is accessing every troll in the world to come and work this thread.  LOL.  I can't for the life of me work out why.  What will be very interesting is to see which of us are finally banned.  I'd put my money on it that it won't be TK, MileHigh or Glen.  LOL.  Likely it will be Magsy or me - OR BOTH.  Me for the breach of implicit guidelines where a poster MAY NOT DEFEND HIS/HER GOOD NAME.  Mags for breach of guidelines where a poster may not expose the traducer.  It's all giving me a headache.

Kindest regards,
Rosie Pose,

Magsy - I was in awe of your integrity.  I'm now in AWE of your courage.  It's quite simply amazing. 

[poynt99]

. Therefore the wattage delivered is 22 amps * 220 volts - which, according to my calculator is 2 200 watts.

22 Amps * 220 Volts =  4840 Watts

. giving a staggering product of 2200 x 60 x 60 x 6 hours being 47 520 000 watts.

4840 * 60 * 60 * 6 = 104.544 MJ (mega-Joules)

[Rosemary Ainslie]

LOL

Thank you Poynty Point.  Not only is this on topic but it's clearly a much needed correction.  I'm rolling with laughter.  I think I should ALWAYS defer my math posting for daylight.  Then I'd might just manage simple arithmetic with marginally better competence.  At least the odds would then be more in my favour.

Poynty I really do like you.  Enormously.  Between you and Mags - I actually manage the occasional laugh.

With the very best of my my very best regards,
Rosie Pose

22 Amps * 220 Volts =  4840 Watts
4840 * 60 * 60 * 6 = 104.544 MJ (mega-Joules)

[poynt99]

To begin with Wiki defines a watt as 1 joule per second.

See "Watt_Def.png" attachment.

And correspondingly it defines 1 joule as 1 watt per second.

See "Joule_Def.png" attachment.