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Testing the TK Tar Baby

Started by TinselKoala, March 25, 2012, 05:11:53 PM

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Rosemary Ainslie

And in the face of MileHigh's expletives - let me continue with my own simplistic understanding of things.

Your basic 'watt' represents a unit of energy based on the product of volts and the amps.  It is determined by the amount of volts x amps that is delivered over time.  IF, as I've mentioned 'ad nauseum' this varies over time - then a fair and representative sample of volts x amps over time - divided by the number of samples over that time period - then gives the CORRECT value of watts.  Else - if it does not vary over time - then the product of volts times amps WOULD be a CORRECT and representative value of instantaneous wattage. 

Joules is a value of the WORK that is either done or can be done - based on that UNIT of WATTAGE.  Therefore Joules is correctly a product of watts over time.  And it can either be sitting in a capacitor or in a battery - as WORK POTENTIAL - or it can be dissipated as heat over the circuit or circuit components or over element resistors or sundry work loads as DISSIPATED ENERGY.  Watts determine the rate at which those JOULES are applied.  Again.  It's that simple folks.

And regarding watts per second and joules per second -  IF there is a difference it is that the calculation of watts - being the RATE PER SECOND at which the energy is dissipated or delivered or even 'stored' - is then applied as a product over time.  And the distinction is that this PRODUCT is represented as Joules - based on that UNIT of applied wattage.  And this is MOST ASSUREDLY the correct application.  When it comes to the finer definitions of amps and volts and the rest.  Then that's best handled by the likes of Groundloop and sundry EXPERTS.

Again,
Rosemary

MileHigh

Rosemary:

Quotegiving a total of 16.5 watts per second

You are still confused.

Please review the concepts, there must be 77,000 web pages were you can find the instructional material.  Then come back and retract that statement and then perhaps we can move forward.

MileHigh

Rosemary Ainslie

WHERE am I confused?  MileHigh?
Quote from: MileHigh on May 12, 2012, 10:58:57 AM
You are still confused.

Please review the concepts, there must be 77,000 web pages were you can find the instructional material.  Then come back and retract that statement and then perhaps we can move forward.

Do you want me to state the fatuously self-evident qualification that it is 16.5 seconds per every 100 seconds.  Or are you trying to imply that it can be accurately determined over a mere 10 seconds of each switched cycle?  IF you wish to contradict this then GET SPECIFIC.

Rosie Posie

MileHigh

QuoteAnd in the face of MileHigh's expletives - let me continue with my own simplistic understanding of things.

Your basic 'watt' represents a unit of energy based on the product of volts and the amps.  It is determined by the amount of volts x amps that is delivered over time.  IF, as I've mentioned 'ad nauseum' this varies over time - then a fair and representative sample of volts x amps over time - divided by the number of samples over that time period - then gives the CORRECT value of watts.  Else - if it does not vary over time - then the product of volts times amps WOULD be a CORRECT and representative value of instantaneous wattage. 

Joules is a value of the WORK that is either done or can be done - based on that UNIT of WATTAGE.  Therefore Joules is correctly a product of watts over time.  And it can either be sitting in a capacitor or in a battery - as WORK POTENTIAL - or it can be dissipated as heat over the circuit or circuit components or over element resistors or sundry work loads as DISSIPATED ENERGY.  Watts determine the rate at which those JOULES are applied.  Again.  It's that simple folks.

And regarding watts per second and joules per second -  IF there is a difference it is that the calculation of watts - being the RATE PER SECOND at which the energy is dissipated or delivered or even 'stored' - is then applied as a product over time.  And the distinction is that this PRODUCT is represented as Joules - based on that UNIT of applied wattage.  And this is MOST ASSUREDLY the correct application.  When it comes to the finer definitions of amps and volts and the rest.  Then that's best handled by the likes of Groundloop and sundry EXPERTS.

You are doing much better here.  You errors are highlighted but otherwise you are on the right track.  Now please go and review TK's discussion and retract your statement.

MileHigh

MileHigh

QuoteWHERE am I confused?  MileHigh?

The concept of "watts per second" is borderline nonsensical and you have to eliminate it from your prose.

Review the material 50 times so that it becomes second nature.  Please retract your comments about TK's discussion and let's move forward.

MileHigh