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[sarkeizen]

A battery that discharges repeatedly inbetween auto-charging repeatedly isnt perpetual?

Not in any useful sense of the term.

You could attach a battery to a photoelectric panel which charges it when you switch it off and get the same stated outcomes (which you will now add to instead of admitting you're wrong).   The only difference is that in one case you know the environment which charges the battery and you know why it doesn't violate 2LOT and in the other you are saying it's magic because you decided not to think about it (or more precisely you decided it was magic and then tried to google documents to help convince yourself that you're not just talking about fairy dust).

the entire class of name-I-stupidly-just-made-up-from-googling-batteries auto-recharge

Yawn.

[roguetechie]

Sark... can't spell the rest of your username correctly by memory sorry..

I have a very serious question for you relating to this link:  http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/01/31/1745245/engineers-invent-acoustic-equivalent-of-one-way-glass

So the link details the acoustic equivalent of one way glass that has been built in a lab now.  Now my question is do inventions like this that are creating fundamental Assymetries that were thought to be impossible not create a glimmer of hope that a device in the same class of quentron type devices could in fact be possible? I mean I know the device itself doesn't itself necessarily violate 2LOT but to me it seems like every day brings us closer to viable 2LOT violating devices.

What is your feeling on this?

[sarkeizen]

So the link details the acoustic equivalent of one way glass that has been built in a lab now.  Now my question is do inventions like this that are creating fundamental Assymetries that were thought to be impossible not create a glimmer of hope that a device in the same class of quentron type devices could in fact be possible?

I think the problem I see here is that "fundamental asymmetries" sounds like a convenient fiction.   Why bother relating the "hearing means being heard" with the 2nd law of thermodynamics?  Other than knowing that one is not entirely true bolsters your belief in the other being likewise.

My difficulty with 2LOT violations in principle is that they violate information theory.  In addition Philip's device specifically appears to violate complexity theory in that it could be used as a quantum computational device which does sorting in O(n) time.   However we already know you can't do that using a classical computer and we also already know that you can't do that with a quantum machine.   So if classical and quantum effects are accounted for, what is doing the computation?

My difficulty with alleged 2LOT Violators is that they usually deal in such small quantities that statistically there is a far, far, far,far greater likelihood that they are making a mistake.

[profitis]

@mark E, naturaly.i got a vid sample here on the forum www.overunity.com/downloads/sa/view/down/526/ this power coming from a few mm2 active nickel-black surface plated on a nickel grid anode and silver cathode in sodium hydroxide under hydrogen. Theres quite a few documents on the related karpen,s battery floating on the net and a good one is here by camil alexandrescu for new energy journal www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/69870019 where its oxygen concentration gradient is described.the source of energy for this class of cells is heat from a single thermal reservoir,anywhere,anytime.

[profitis]

@sarkeizen,no problemo,just stack a few slices of metal and electrolyte into a pile under hydrogen to up the voltage and leak a steady flow of smaller current at the same rate as the battery,s recharge rate and you get continuous power to your ipod.we are still waiting for you and mark E to tell us how the cell mentioned in wikipedia under the name 'oxygen concentration cell' goes dead flat and how kelvin statement fits in with wikipedia,s catalyst thermodynamic spillover cycle.