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[profitis]

Where's your sense of humour fled to @mark E? No more lolz? Mr sarkeizen demands an formated argument that fits into his shooting field.I can try to format an argument in support of the second law of thermodynamics in the way that he wants it and he can still shoot me down,on his terms.I'm not stupid

[Madebymonkeys]

Hi Profitis,

I am no expert in this field and don't claim to be. I do know a little though!
Can you explain how your proposed system works (such that I can recreate) and whether it's possible to tap excess energy from it?
I understand there aren't any references, cites etc available on the web (do post some links if here is) so if you are able to give some instructions for me (probably others too) to replicate the that's great. 

[sarkeizen]

Oh so your not a field expert but you want to tell me what a formal argument is going to look like

Because formal argument, logic and proofs are a different field.  Even you should agree that this is true since you obviously didn't know what a formal argument at first.  Remember when you lied and said you made one?

so that you can annihilate my expertise mr sarkeizen. Sooo.. if your not a field expert how are you going to annihilate an argument shaped into the way that you want it to be shaped @sarkeizen..

Simple.  A formal argument depends on exactly two things.  That the premises are true and that each step is necessarily true if the prior one is.  As promised earlier your argument will fail either because some step is false or that the premises are untrue or not necessarily true or that the steps are not forced.   I don't need to be a field expert to show those things.

[profitis]

Hi @madebymonkeys long time no see. the mechanism of these cells are explained on the karpen pile thread and all through this thread.you want to try the nickel/silver type cell under hydrogen gas for impressive results but its no easy feat.you are going to need extensive electrochemical knowledge and experience in order to get it right but you can give it a shot.hydrogen is a very tricky thing to work with as it will leak through many plastics over time so its best done in sealed glass bulb.how anyone is going to melt-seal a glass bulb with hydrogen in it is beyond my knowledge but manufacturers of certain types lightbulbs seem to get it right.you are going to have to electroplate your nickel anode with nickel-black for maximum surface area and your going to have to etch your silver cathode for surface area there.your electrolyte is going to be caustic soda solution and your connecting wires pure silver or gold leading out your glass bulb. You want to practice getting this right in sealed plastic before you end up in the glass bulb for perfection.your voltage should be around 0.7/0.8v when the cell is at its maximum resting potential.If there is any air trapped in your cell then the voltage peak will plummet over time,that's how you know you have failed.the tiniest invisible hole will cause the system to fail.hope this helps @madebymonkeys

[profitis]

And if madebymonkeys succeeds in powering his ipod permanently with the above cell what are you going to then say @sarkeizen.