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[mscoffman]

Yes, that's right.


The solution is teach the people to think.  That is the real goal of this plan, the soul of this energy device.

Yes...and by the way, to think with their brains and not with their portfolios. :-)

[mscoffman]

To but in... imo the biggest advantage of quenco over say the coming LENR/cold fusion wave or other promising emerging tech is:
simplicity, size (huge power density apparently) and cost (you can apperently print them out like stamps) these factors allow quenco to pretty much saturate the world with them from cell phones to personal planes. The thing is so small that a "grid" or "central source" of energy would be obsolete even if the central was in your own basement. Every device would have one built in the potential is limitless.

Hold on a minute Broli... you've gone a little bit too far.

A Maxwell's Demon is a good source of energy, but only if you've got lots of
"heat to spare". Here is the problem; If your device "destroys heat" to make
energy, you need to make sure that you didn't pay exorbitant costs to make
that heat in the first place. Now any energetic process like a living being
will be producing a certain amount of excess energy - but that amount is not
so large. Also, devices like computers can use that capability because they created
heat in the first place to do computations and you are reusing a certain amount.
Good.

But you can see where there is a problem. In a cold climate like Alsaka there may
not be enough excess heat in the first place. In a cold basement, or cold closet
or cold garage where you have to actually pay to produce that heat in the first place
with a furnace or on the roadway with a large numbers of moving vehicles all
trying to access ambient temperature air. In fact, a Maxwell's Demon will actually
differentially benefit people living in warm climates, manufacturing will best be done
on the equator! While we living in cold climates are going to just need to make do. Heat pumps can help, making solar collectors out of ordinary stuff, but to really work Maxwell's demons will need to be paired with specific size energy producers or consumers. So in fact
I would expect Philip's devices to work best when joined to LENR heat producer rather
then substituted for it. That way one has real energy. This Maxwell demon stuff has
unintented consequences such as needing a person to have to decide whether energy generated is going to be transmitted away or is locally converted to heat. We currently
don't have to consider these facts when we use energy. The Utility company always
transmits its billable energy away from it. We can decide to do computations or power an
amature radio transmitter with it without any use penlty. That why I now favor led lights
for dummy loads for overunity experiments as they transmit their energy away from the
device under test rather then dissipate it as heat locally.

:S:MarkSCoffman

[broli]

mscoffman, this is actually a good subject for a fear mongering smear campaign, not that I'm associating you with one but this discussion will indeed be brought up by people who have an interest in it not succeeding.

My point of view of it? First of all, it's COMPLETELY baseless. Let us be ignorant and assume that yes ambient heat is "destroyed" but do you know how much energy the earth and the atmosphere collect on one single day? I'm sure if you did you wouldn't be so concerned. And apparently it's okay to promote solar energy like crazy, which would also "destroy" heat by that same logic, but this not?

Second of all, did you know that EVERY electric device that has resistive elements is a joule heater, ie produces heat as current goes by. Yes the average kinetic energy (ie temperature) of the nearby air molecules gets reduced but this energy is regained when your device is emitting infrared as joule heating. If I use a quenco powered heater that heats my room by removing it from the outside eventually, depending on insulation primarily, that heat will diffuse back into the atmosphere. You're not destroying anything! In the heater case you're just filtering the colder air molecules out of your room, and in the electric devices case you are remitting the energy as infrared. This is why a CPU can run on its own heat, the actual information processing itself doesn't use up energy but pushing around electrons creates heat.

[lancaIV]

I am myself wondering about the internal process of the quenco chip/film because 10sqcmx10sqcm comparing with an usual thermionic converter with 75% heat/electric conversion efficiency and 2000W/sqm sunenergy means 67x sun concentrating !
It is not the Wp/sqcm ( comparing with the Fellows Research group Mems-TAR  www.resonant-energy.com  ),it is the question about the heat/energy source which will deliver the electric output energy about I am me wondering !

Sincerely
                 CdL

[neptune]

This is a difficult concept to get ones head around, because it sounds too good to be true. If it does prove to be true, and makes it to market, its impact on society is probably beyond our ability to imagine it. It will change the whole way that we think about electricity. The power grid will become obsolete in a very short time , as all domestic appliances will come with their own power supply. The same with light fittings. We have all heard the expression that half a loaf is better than no bread. Imagine the impact in African villages of cheap everlasting LED lighting, and water/irrigation pumps that need no fuel. Battery chargers will be relegated to museums.
       The electric car without charging will help tremendously, but will not solve congestion. So a better early application will be electric bicycles, more affordable, and more eco friendly.