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[sarkeizen]

From your reply it looks like, given a choice, you would rather talk about insulting people than their ideas.

Which thing is insulting? That you still think you can have a program which deterministically detects program termination?  I suppose Alan Turing might find that insulting.  You certainly spent a fair amount of time insulting me personally while I was kicking your butt in that argument.   Strange that you should be so sensitive now.   Also you didn't seem very sensitive when you took a real, diagnosed medical disorder and used it as a put-down...and that was only a few posts ago. 

2LOT was broken over 60 years ago, you just never saw that, and never will.

How does this demonstrate that 2LOT was broken exactly?

[lumen]

Which thing is insulting? That you still think you can have a program which deterministically detects program termination?  I suppose Alan Turing might find that insulting.  You certainly spent a fair amount of time insulting me personally while I was kicking your butt in that argument.   Strange that you should be so sensitive now.   Also you didn't seem very sensitive when you took a real, diagnosed medical disorder and used it as a put-down...and that was only a few posts ago.  How does this demonstrate that 2LOT was broken exactly?

I understand you goal to feel superior and really pump up your ego because you seem to be a bit bipolar, but I have bigger fish to fry.

The Karpen pile as it was called by others, or "the uniform-temperature thermoelectric pile," as he named it.
You might want to do just a bit of research on this before you fail at your goal as stated above.

[sarkeizen]

I understand you goal to feel superior and really pump up your ego

I was just pointing out the irony.  You've imagined that I prefer insulting people to discussing their ideas (although you haven't pointed out exactly what is insulting, nor will you probably).  However you were pretty insulting and non-responsive during that whole affair concerning the termination of computer programs. The way you were talking, one might get the idea that you think it's generally bad to prefer insulting people to discussing their ideas...or is it only ok for you?

because you seem to be a bit bipolar,

Bipolar is a medical diagnosis that people actually suffer from.  Mental illness is stigmatized enough in this society, no need for you to make it more bigoted than it already is.

but I have bigger fish to fry.

Unlikely.

The Karpen pile as it was called by others, or "the uniform-temperature thermoelectric pile," as he named it.
You might want to do just a bit of research on this before you fail at your goal as stated above.

Again what does that have to do with breaking 2LOT.  Because someone *called* it something?  So if someone 120 years ago called something "The-intrinsic-2nd-law-violator" that would be all Lumen needs to believe that the 2nd law was broken 120 years ago?

I mean, that's convenient but don't you think you should hold the evidence-bar a little higher? Perhaps off the ground?

[lumen]

Again what does that have to do with breaking 2LOT.  Because someone *called* it something?  So if someone 120 years ago called something "The-intrinsic-2nd-law-violator" that would be all Lumen needs to believe that the 2nd law was broken 120 years ago?

I mean, that's convenient but don't you think you should hold the evidence-bar a little higher? Perhaps off the ground?

I'll leave out the rest because you are just treading in the past.

The Karpen pile is a uniform-temperature thermoelectric battery that produces substantial electrical output from an isothermal environment.
It's been doing this for over 60 years and is understood to be pulling energy from environmental heat and producing actual work running a small motor that works a switch that turns the motor on and off. The voltage is about 1 volt and to run a tiny motor to work a switch would require at least a few milliamps minimum. (assumption only data is left out)

Lord Kelvin has stated in the 2LOT that this would indeed be impossible, yet oops there it is!
In fact Karpen himself was sure this was impossible until......oops there it was!
So you sit there and claim Philip's idea to be impossible because he has tried for a few years to build it and the math shows it to be impossible, but yet you totally ignore the fact that the 2LOT theory was compromised by a device that has been running for over 60 years and shows that 2LOT is broken.(Lord kelvin was wrong in some areas)

In the end, the Karpen pile does exactly what Philip is trying to do, convert environmental heat directly to electrical energy.
I don't really expect you to understand this fact as actually a fact because you never will, just like I said, you never will! Not with only 60 years of proof, you will probably need at least another 60 years before you might consider it.

oops, there it is!

Reverse Entropy ...... Hmmm, what's a better name for that!
Yportne! Yes that's it!

[profitis]

yes lumen is correct.karpen systems have been built with hundreds times power densities of the original.they will flash l.e.d,s  permanently,power ipods permanently.in fact its imposible to drain their power or even weaken their power unless you break them up.the higher power density systems are  an obvious 2nd law interruption.