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[profitis]

@sarkeizen look,go build it,chek if its 2lot compliant and come back to me in the morning ne? You suckered me away from commercial viability issues into a 2lot discussion and now you want to cross-examine my knowledge? Disgusting.from now on i will only discuss commercial viability of this class of devices.

[sarkeizen]

@sarkeizen look,go build it,chek if its 2lot compliant and come back to me in the morning ne?

First of all, you're an idiot.  "2lot compliant" doesn't mean anything.

Second let's recap your argument...

power ipods permanently.in fact its imposible to drain their power or even weaken their power unless you break them up.

So your Van Hausen Pile creates power forever. 

the karpen system follows the rules governing gaseous concentration cells.case closed.whats the problem with sarkeizen and milehigh?we may never know.why they object to standard applied physics is a mystery

It creates power forever though completely standard physics.

please refer to your electrochemistry text-book under section: electrode concentration cells,and tell us what issue you have with what is written.

Standard physics available in apparently any electrochemestry textbook.

.its written and predicted in  textbooks under section 'electrode concentration cells'

In a section about electrode concentration cells.

going to dispute the laws of electrochemistry then yes,it is hopeless to argue with him.i cant argue with someone who,s going to change the laws of physics to suit them.

Furthermore these physics which can find in textbooks are LAWS of electrochemistry.

Now all of the above seems really straight-forward and seems to be a violation of 2LOT.  However I keep getting harassed by Profitis about mentioning 2LOT.  So I clarify:

Lumen put forth is that this thing that is sitting in an office in a museum IS constantly violating 2LOT and has been for 60 years

But the response is...

forget about what lumen said and listen to what the textbooks

So I'm game...

Point me to a mainstream textbook which states clearly (that is requiring no inference) that a practical device can be built which can do work in an isothermal environment without limit.  Cite the paragraph and page number.  I'll find it when I have some time.

But what I get is..

no schoolbook is going to paragraph a 'how to bust 2lot' manual

Wait, so is this thing a violation of 2LOT or not?  I just got post after post of flack because I mentioned 2LOT.  Such as the following...

you still havent answered as to why you bother about trivialities e.g. 2lot?and im beginning to think that this quirky obsession of yours is highly suspect.perhaps to purposely steer attention away from the issue at hand?

However again asking for text book paragraphs gets me...

if i sell you a quenco to use to power your calculator at an affordable price with a money-back guarantee that it wont run flat in the next 30years are you going to now start shooting me down over 2lot trivialities

Huh?! All of a sudden we have moved from powering iPods FOREVER to powering calculators for 30 years.  After that it just turns into

You suckered me away from commercial viability issues into a 2lot discussion and now you want to cross-examine my knowledge?

It is of course entirely my fault that Profitis posted what he did...

Disgusting.from now on i will only discuss commercial viability of this class of devices.

Well at least he's not telling everyone what the thread is about anymore.  Not sure what "this class of devices" means.  Quenco's prime characteristic according to it's inventor is that it can convert heat from an isothermal environment into energy.  So we all know the commercial viability of something that actually DOES that but if it doesn't.   What's the commercial viability of a device which claims to convert heat from an isothermal environment into energy but doesn't do that.   My guess would be very little.

Now we could imagine that Philip has actually created some kind of more efficient thermocouple or better battery.   However the problem with that is that we would be discussing the merits of something that is PURELY IMAGINARY.

[profitis]

well @sarkeizen if you refuse to build the O2 concentration cell then how will you be able to know if it acts like an ideal quenco or not? How will you know if it can  power your ipod and calculator at the same time for 60years or not?how will you know if it works in a isothermal environment or not?sorry buddy but youre going to have to build it if you want your answers,you have no choice.

[sarkeizen]

well @sarkeizen if you refuse to build the O2 concentration cell then how will you be able to know if it acts like an ideal quenco or not?

You are a troll.

You said:

who cares if its a 2lot disruption or not.all we know is that it wont run out of fuel,ever.please refer to your electrochemistry text-book

and later

yes its a maxwell demon.no temperature difference required between the two electrodes in any particular direction.

This sounds like you know there is a section of a textbook that indicates that a Gomer Pile will run forever in an isothermal environment.  If you CITE - that is provide the pages where this is stated - from a reasonably well-known textbook.  I will find a copy and read it and if it is as clear as you seem to imply.  I will understand and reverse my position.

How will you know if it can  power your ipod and calculator at the same time for 60years or not?how will you know if it works in a isothermal environment or not?sorry buddy but youre going to have to build it.

Did you lie then?  It sure sounds like you lied about there being a textbook section that validates your statements.  Why would you do that?

if you want your answers,you have no choice

ROFL.  Actually you're wrong.  The only question I wanted an answer to is: Do you have a good argument.

So far, you don't. In fact you are making Lumen look good.

[profitis]

@sarkeizen so you dont want to build it,chek it out in a isothermal environment and show us that it works like a quenco,sigh ok, go to your textbook right now and tell me when you are there by the page dealing with concentration cells.we,re going to go through this together it seems because if you were an electrochemist you wouldve immediately seen that an O2 cell,just,cant,run out of fuel,ever.