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[sarkeizen]

@sarkeizen so if i told you to go build a zinc-air cell and that it lasts forever whats preventing you from a)building/testing it

What test unequivocally confirms "lasts forever" that doesn't take forever to do?

or b) if your lazy at least drawing it and checking it out in theory first.

So far, what's stopping me from doing b) is you.  I've asked you questions that you can't or won't answer.

logic enough?

Already refuted, see above.  Constructing something and imagining it runs forever is, unfortunately not the same as it running forever.  Investigating the theory seems difficult as you spend most of your time being an enormous obstructionist asshole.

you havent made one single challenge on the grounds of common sense

Common sense is at best imaginary and at worst a logical fallacy.  I have made a logical argument as to why what you have provided is insufficient to make your claim.

im telling you that a KNOWN TYPE OF CELL will not go flat ever.

Then you should be able to produce a cite from a textbook which states that clearly, unequivocally and without needing any inference that these forever batteries can be created.   I mean even if the "runs (an ipod) forever cell" was merely a curiosity of extremely limited practical value you would think it would merit a mention somewhere.  Crystal radios, don't run forever in the same sense but they ARE mentioned in physics textbooks.  I'm reasonably certain I can find a reference to a crystal radio needing no internal power in one of the two physics texts I have in my library at home (and if not I'm certain I can find such a cite faster than a moron like you).

its on you to disprove me not me to disprove you.

Not really.  All you have is a claim: "You can make a battery that can run a device like an ipod forever".  Perhaps in EOA-world claims are exactly the same thing as a logical argument but in the real world they aren't.

What I have done, so far anyway is shown that you don't have a very good reason for making your claim and in addition I've also demonstrated that even if good reasons for believing your claim exist.  You don't believe that you should provide them.

[profitis]

@sarkeizen TWO maximum entropy states.TWO,2,DUO not one.an zinc-air cell has one maximum entropy state.an oxygen concentration cell has two maximum entropy states.we can expand on this when you agree with this.

[profitis]

@sarkeizen we can expand on this when you agree with my above statement.

[sarkeizen]

@sarkeizen TWO maximum entropy states.TWO,2,DUO not one.an zinc-air cell has one maximum entropy state.an oxygen concentration cell has two maximum entropy states.we can expand on this when you agree with this.

@EOA - Not enough clarity.  Please provide a textbook cite that mentions the exact terms you want to use.  If you are, as usual unwilling to provide a textbook definition for your terms.  Then you have given up the argument: "the textbooks say..." and we are back to "EOA says..." and as I've mentioned you can imagine anything you want and I won't argue.  However, unlike Peter Pan happy thoughts won't make your crap fly.

So I win.  Thanks.

(I'm kind of disappointed with you giving up so easily I fully expected a hundred posts of you dancing around with "I know I'm supposed to be arguing that the textbooks say something but I will do everything in my power to avoid quoting a textbook EVER!" - that's kind of fun! I miss it already.)

(I think you secretly hate textbooks )

[profitis]

@sarkeizen so lets do that,lets take 2 standard oxygen electrodes from the textbook at standard temperature,standard pressure,shove them both into standard electrolyte(sulfuric acid co-incidently) and change ONE variable between them,access to oxygen.so now you cant complain about parameters anymore,contexts anymore,little thingies anymore as every single thing,beside access to oxygen,is standardized kapishe? Ok? You with me so far?going smooth?any complaints?i got you by the balls now you cant escape this one.heres a typical standardized  concentration cell for you governed by standard equasions governed by standard methods by all standard textbooks.now follow through with standard procedure ... calculate using standard ways when and how equilibrium is attained,the standard way.