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MarkE

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June 12, 2014, 10:57:22 AM
Quote from: profitis on June 12, 2014, 10:46:51 AM
Electrochemical thermodynamic downhill gradient 1)charged capacitor. Electrostatic downhill gradient 2) leak across the vaccuum @mark E. Why would the two pieces be sitting seperately neutraly charged in the first place if they were going to be stable in a seperately charged state.
It is up to you to state your argument.  You need to specify the states and then show that the system can move from either one to the other. 

sarkeizen

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June 12, 2014, 11:10:30 AM
Quote from: profitis on June 12, 2014, 10:27:45 AM
Where's the irreversability here
Don't know.  I'm not an expert at converting a  picture into your homework assignment (which you keep asking people to do for you).

If you have a formal argument then stop hiding it.  If you've forgotten what a formal argument is.  Then ask and I'll define it.

profitis

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June 12, 2014, 11:49:38 AM
My argument is this @mark E: why would two chunks of metal sit neutral facing each other across a vaccuum when they are supposed to be more happy charged and facing each other across a vaccuum.the stench of reversability is hanging thick over this scenario.I'm saying they are more happy in a neutral state than a charged state.unless you want to point out where I'm wrong..

profitis

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June 12, 2014, 11:59:42 AM
My formal argument is that you won't be able to give a damning reason for nonprofitable irreversability in that spillover diagram other than declaring 2lot inviolable @sarkeizen.

MarkE

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June 12, 2014, 12:05:02 PM
Quote from: profitis on June 12, 2014, 11:49:38 AM
My argument is this @mark E: why would two chunks of metal sit neutral facing each other across a vaccuum when they are supposed to be more happy charged and facing each other across a vaccuum.the stench of reversability is hanging thick over this scenario.I'm saying they are more happy in a neutral state than a charged state.unless you want to point out where I'm wrong..
Are you really that daft?  Once again:  In order for you to show the thermodynamic reversibility that you claim then you have to:  identify the two thermodynamic states that you allege are reversible, AND show how the system can freely move from the first state to the second AND the second state to the first all by itself. 

If by this: 
QuoteI'm saying they are more happy in a neutral state than a charged state.
You seem to be saying that the system seeks a favored state.  If so, then it is not reversible.
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