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[MarkE]

I can put the whole issue  to you another way @mark E.do the two metallic pieces need to be in contact to fully charge up.yes or no.

Are you ever going to put forth an argument to support your claim?

[MarkE]

You know its number 3 @mark E.I don't understand why your beating around the bush and I assure you your going to struggle to show irreversability. I've shown reversability by using wikipedias assertion against you ie, the thing spontaneously charges up as is evident in the diagrams,wikipedia says it will now spontaneously charge down when switch is opened.so either it will remain permanently charged on open switch or it won't.if it doesn't then its blatantly obviously reversable. I'm suspecting mr hardcastle will mention something about electric fields over the vaccuum gap making it irreversable but if he is going to say this then I want to know why the two pieces needed contact in the first place.

OK, so it's your argument that the configuration forms a capacitor.  And it is your argument that the capacitor leaks.  Now:  show your thermodynamic states and how the system is able to move between either state to the other. 

[sarkeizen]

It cannot even be defeated on logical grounds mr sarkeizen

Two interesting consequences of that statement:

i) Philip can not provide an argument against it.  Since one would assume that you would listen to Philip's argument because it is logical.
ii) You know of a formal logical argument (from an ordinary text) which proves your belief.

If ii) is true, then your only accomplishment was to kept your argument secret.

As I've said, it's unsurprising if I can not defeat arguments I've never been told.

[profitis]

Where's the irreversability here @sarkeizen.in other words what is going to change here to a degree that will prevent repetition in the profit margin. 

[profitis]

Electrochemical thermodynamic downhill gradient 1)charged capacitor. Electrostatic downhill gradient 2) leak across the vaccuum @mark E. Why would the two pieces be sitting seperately neutraly charged in the first place if they were going to be stable in a seperately charged state.