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[MarkE]

Its two seperate states @markE.one in contact.one seperate.I'm saying when seperate neutrality is favoured.when in contact charged is favoured.unless you can disprove this using textbooks.

If it takes an external action to go between the states then the system is not reversible.  The problem here seems to be that you do not understand what reversibility means.

[MarkE]

profitis is 100% correct, MarkE and Sarcastic have for dozens of posts avoided answering a simple question clearly posed by a simple diagram. Is this because they do not know the answer? is it because they are not prepared to be frank? or is it that their sole purpose on this site is to knock and criticise?


profitis has shown a diagram of two dissimilar metals, these metals have a starting condition where they are uncharged, he then shows a connection and a switch.


Next he states the switch is closed, he asserts electrons will flow from the low work function metal to the higher work function metal.


Now surely MarkE who lectures everyone about almost everything could manage to accept this as a validly stated starting condition and first action.


Then profitis argues that the flow of electrons will cool one of the metals.


He then states that a thermal and charged state equilibrium will be reached.


Next he says that the switch is opened, he argues that electrons will migrate from the high work function metal to the low work function metal via the vacuum. He calls this leakage and states that wiki says all capacitors have leakage.


Lastly it is profitis' position that the whole cycle can be restarted once the metal plates are back to neutral charge.


This is a simple and clearly stated challenge by profitis, all MarkE and Sarcastic have to do is to tell profitis why it would not work, but no, instead we get endless moronic comments by them that amount to avoiding the posed problem.


MarkE and Sarcastic, your comments to date might be seen to demonstrate to the members of overunity your real motives, tell profitis what is wrong with his idea, or stop your incessant bickering and leave in shame.


I will give you a week to answer profitis, otherwise I will tell everyone the simple answer and then everyone can see what MarkE and Sarcastic truly are.


Of course if you do answer profitis with a sensible and direct response to his challenge you will no doubt prove to the forum that what you have to say is based upon some knowledge, and not simple naysaying.


So far I must say that the lack or response, by forum members against unsupported negativity, does nothing for the reputation of this site as a forum to openly discuss energy concepts and ideas.

Mr. Hardcastle it is up to Profitis to state his argument for each of his claims.  In the claim he has been conversing with me on, he has gotten to the point where he requires an external action to move between states.  If as you assert that is his claim; then he has disproven his own reversibility claim before ever getting out of the gate.

He seems to be suggesting, but does not state that current will flow indefinitely around a loop made with two dissimilar metal "C" pieces with or without a gap.  Whether or not current does flow, and for how long does not help any claim of reversibility if the process does not spontaneously reverse.  He can at any time state what his actual beliefs are.

[sarkeizen]

made same demands as sarkeizen.

Demands that you said you could meet at various points in time and then it turns out you were lying. 

Dude, all you had to say, at any time is: "I can't construct a formal logical argument for my particular delusion" and we would be done.  Say it now if you want.  Won't hear a word from me after.

Maybe sarkeizen is mark E??

Yes.  All people who care about logic and reason are sarkeizen and mark E.

[profitis]

So your saying that if a system has a  switch that perpetuum mobilum is impossible @mark E? Where did u get this ludicrous idea from? How does this interfere with cyclic thermodynamics??

[MarkE]

So your saying that if a system has a  switch that perpetuum mobilum is impossible @mark E? Where did u get this ludicrous idea from? How does this interfere with thermodynamics??

Here we go with yet another of your straw men. 

It is rather apparent that you present yourself as unfamiliar with what thermodynamic reversibility is.  Here is a link to the wikipedia article which is not bad:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reversible_process_%28thermodynamics%29

We will see if you ever get around to actually constructing a cogent argument for your gapped bimetal "C" core representing a reversible process.