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MarkE,

Does a reversible chemical reaction proceed in both directions?

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Does a reversible chemical reaction proceed in both directions?  Can you answer this question or not!

Gravock

[MarkE]

Shout, shake, spam, do whatever you like to do the trolling that you do so well.  You cannot save profitis from the fact that from the time the reaction starts, it drives forward until it reaches equilibrium.  Once at equilibrium it does not drive net backwards:  the forward and reverse rates are the same.  It did not drive net backwards on the way to equilibrium either.  Zoom the camera back and what you have at T0 is a set of reactants and what you have later are a bunch of reaction products and absent input of external energy:  greater entropy.  The system has run down and there is nothing that you can do about it without adding energy. 

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Shout, shake, spam, do whatever you like to do the trolling that you do so well.  You cannot save profitis from the fact that from the time the reaction starts, it drives forward until it reaches equilibrium.  Once at equilibrium it does not drive net backwards:  the forward and reverse rates are the same.  It did not drive net backwards on the way to equilibrium either.  Zoom the camera back and what you have at T0 is a set of reactants and what you have later are a bunch of reaction products and absent input of external energy:  greater entropy.  The system has run down and there is nothing that you can do about it without adding energy.

By simply pouring a granular mixture we can watch it separate into its components with no effort on our part. This spontaneous form of pattern formation is a natural example of what physicists call "symmetry breaking" and is very simple to demonstrate in a kitchen.  JS commenting on this video wisely says, "It seems the 'more organized' state is the one with the higher entropy".    Reference:  Spontaneous Stratification  (first and second snapshot of the video and comment below)

Laminar flow has the interesting property of reversibility.  In this video, physicists demonstrate how flow between concentric cylinders can be reversed such that the initial fluid state is obtained (to within the limits of molecular diffusion, of course!)  Reference:  Demonstration of the reversibility of laminar flow (third snapshot of the video below)

Like I said MarkE, Profitis' electrochemical process can stand on it's own under the right conditions.  There is nothing forbidding this from happening!

Gravock

[MarkE]

LOL!  Enron style accounting is amazing stuff.

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LOL!  Enron style accounting is amazing stuff.

Yes, a pure natural system based on the 'ultimate order' of entropy without any human intelligence behind it performing better than Enron's accounting style is amazing stuff!  According to Enron's accounting style, things go from an ordered state to a disordered state, which is the complete opposite of a pure natural system of entropy, LOL!  Enron is the one doing the mixing while the pure natural system is separating the mix into it's components!

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