Larskro's magnet motor video was a fake - he admits on second video

[crazycut06]

I just reread my post and looked at the schematic again. I can be tricky with the battery being where it is.

Im not really sure if the schematic is correct. Will try after dinner just to see if the led lights on a coil in the circuit config in the schematic.

The reason being is, the collapse would produce a continued forward current when the reed opened. If so, then the battery should be powering the leds all the time. It is an odd setup. Current would have to reverse through the battery to light the led.
Unless the reed stays closed most of the time and the led(diodes) are reversed in the schematic, by accident? Thus not allowing current to the led's because the reed is closed(short across the coil, batt, resistor in series)?

Odd indeedy.

Mags

He must show the coil with the battery and the resistor inside to clear things up, in his schema the battery is shorted with the coil, but maybe if the reed is closed and opened, the coil in series with the battery will produce a kick that turns the magnet rotor, but how did the led survive the hv inductive spike? or the battery is regulating the voltage?

[mscoffman]

I have come up with a method to make a standard "toy"
DC motor like one might build oneself that has a special
2 part commutator. Basically it uses an optical disk and
H-Bridge to control the field current direction based on
the rotor phase and then logically "nands in" a N.C. normally
closed reed switch position detector mounted on an
adjustable spatula like he has.

The concept is that you build this DC motor first and get
it to run. Then once it runs remove the applied DC field current
and rewire the field circuit it to what he said he had. The
operational parameters should be pretty much the same
between the two putative motor operating modes.

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The thing is that a pure magnetic motor versus a dc motor
with no commutative field current reversal should operate
using iddedic methods. That is if you can build a commutatorless
DC motor you will also be able to build a pure magnetic motor.

The way it would work is that a shorted field coil with a low resistance
shunt would allow rotor magnets to intrude with only true LENZ braking
losses then when the coil is unshorted the rotor poles suddenly see each
other through the now in-series field coils.

:S:MarkSCoffman

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If I had this to do fake It might require a Bedini mirror circuit inside each or one
field coils along with the battery - the reed switch could then be fake inoperative.
Also the faces "N" and "S" marked in ink on the magnets might lie. The reed switch
would work if the postion of the rotor magnets was always "N" incomming.

[kfede224]

I have a good picture about overunity machines. In that picture there are forces provided by properties of matter such as magnetism (permanent magnets) and electrostatic charges, any of them likely to no need of burning anything.
I hardly put an effort trying to understand videos like posted above that, in the first place, aren't well explained and then, aren't simple. My effort is focused with machines like permanent magnet motors with only magnets. I recommend to you do the same.

[Magluvin]

He must show the coil with the battery and the resistor inside to clear things up, in his schema the battery is shorted with the coil, but maybe if the reed is closed and opened, the coil in series with the battery will produce a kick that turns the magnet rotor, but how did the led survive the hv inductive spike? or the battery is regulating the voltage?

Well according to the diagram, it looks like he soldered one of the leads of the coil to the batteries casing(-) near the positive terminal. Like he removed some of the wrapping that covers the battery. So it is in series with the coil and resistor.

Also hiding the resistor with the battery means even more space needed in the cavity of the coil. The coil doesnt look lumped like it is beside the battery, so it must be top or bottom.

Im getting on the bench now to try to see if the led lights. Just a simple circuit, no motor.  Was going to do it last night but got distracted with other things.

I need to see the led light. If it does, then there is a reversal of magnetic field before a reversal of current flows.

Check any literature on switching power supplies. During the field collapse when input is disconnected from the inductor, current always flows in the same direction as the input produced through the inductor. Not reverse emf. Not back emf. But a continued forward current.

Mile High and I had discussed this at OUR when he put us "pulse motor builders" to a test of figuring out what was going on in a particular motor circuit.

Well I did describe what I thought. I also did not know which polarity of the output capture diode was in the circuit, yet I claimed also that the diode could be set as either polarity and the capture capacitor would still see a higher than source voltage, because of field reversal that can happen if there is no load during the first collapse.

If the capture diode is in a position that current from the source IS directed to the output cap, there is still additional currents from the collapse and reversal happening anyways.

So I need to try it in this case to see if the reversal happens, as I have seen before, just not the way this guy does it with the battery in series with the current from field collapse. But If it does, then my my description to mile high is correct, but he did not agree. Nor did he explain why. ;]

When I first discovered it, I didnt know what was happening at first.  It was when I was running a second pulse motor stage with stored collapse energy from the first stage. The diode could be in either direction and the second stage cap was getting higher than source, but a different polarity than normal collapse capture. But I did find that the source would send additional power to the second stage if the diode was set to do so. But I remember specifically to use the diodes polarity so that the source did not make it to the second stage storage cap directly. Or else others might say that the source was powering the second stage also, not just the first.  Even if the timing were set differently between the first and second stage. ;] 

All coils have some capacitance. So a coil in itself can oscillate. In a regular coil,not bifi, etc, the freq of oscillation would be very high due to very low capacitance distributed throughout the coil windings. A bifi will have much greater capacitance thus lower oscillation freq. So even with a regular coil, the field can reverse if there is no load to stop it from happening via damping due to the load.  Like loading an LC while ringing. It will kill the ringing.

Even in Falstads circuit sim, you can apply a scope shot of a coil, and if disconnected from a source, with no direction for current to flow in either direction, the coil will self oscillate at very high freq. ;]

One thing that intrigues me is, can we use this field reversal to our advantage. ;]  Always thinkin. Even with ideas from possible fakes. ;]

Mags

[Bob Smith]

Good for you, Mags! The device does appear rather intriguing either way, after having read a good part of the description and seen Bodkins' first attempt at replication. It ain't over 'til the fat toroid sings (or something like that).
Bob