Fernando`s Force multiplier

[conradelektro]

@Honza:

Fife times over unity (or even two times OU) would allow a closed loop operation. So, the only true test of such a "force multiplier" would be a free running system which is somehow looped back on itself. During start up one could use electricity from the 220V grid for a few minutes, and during run time I would accept a huge capacitor or a small battery for buffering.

Why are we not seeing such a looped back system? Neither Fernando nor Ucros show a closed loop system.

I hope that i_ron and you will one day show conclusive measurements on a real system.

Greetings, Conrad

[i_ron]

Hi all,
I am new here. My regards to i_ron for his great work on the multiplier. I am playing already sometime with a concept on similar theme to that of  Fernado Sixto Ramos - so replication of his work is obviously of great importance to me.
I_ron, you've done great job in analyzing and building the unit. However, please do not underestimate the forces involved in the transfer of power from one wheel to another. The speed of both wheels fluctuates within constant % of their average speed. The speed fluctuation % is alternating between the wheels, it is proportional to the size of the crank (which has to be identical for both wheels) and it is inversely proportional to the distance between the wheels. The speed fluctuation % remains constant at any given speed. Therefore the energy transferred by the connecting arm (and the forces involved) are increasing exponentially to the average speed of rotation.
I_ron, after watching the video of your design I feel your connecting arm is the weakest point of your unit.
Also worth noting there is a Colombian inventor who produces units on similar theme. His name is Carlos Ucros and his design does much the same using different configuration only doing it slower and using greater masses.  His English is much worse than mine but the pictures on his site tell the story.            http://www.ucros-energy.es.tl/ENGLISH-.htm
He claims ~ 5 times power multiplication.
So from my contemplating of this revolving energy theme it appears that the multiplying factor will rise most with the speed. A design with higher speed, smaller masses, closer together, smaller crank, shorter and stronger arm and bearings is likely to deliver best performance, however also be technically most challenging and less durable.
Cheers

Thank you Honza for the very interesting post. Yes, I am aware of the forces involved and my observations confirm what you say.


Thanks also for the Ucros link, very fascinating. I will study that more.


I come to this from work with Veljko Milkovic's pendulum and a study of Felix Wurth and George Constantinesco. There is much to learn. Please feel free to post lots more on this subject.
You are on the right track.


Yesterday I put another plate on the flywheels for additional weight and to day I will rework the link as the center to center distance must be very precise. It was 'close' but hammered at low speed. I will make it with a micrometer adjustment. My limitation on this build is my inability to cut keyways in the hubs so run time is of necessity rather short.


Thanks, Ron

[Honza]

Why are we not seeing such a looped back system? Neither Fernando nor Ucros show a closed loop system.

Close loop is most likely not always possible. Bedini systems clearly prove overunity possible, but to make it work one needs two batteries - while one is charging the second powers the system.
Apart from this there can also be "political" reasons. Blatant proof could not only have the power to put in doubt the current western religion called "science" but also have the potential to destabilise worldwide economy and geopolitical system of power. After considering the recent historical record of bright inventors who had insufficient respected for the power-game, one  may not be keen on sticking it up to the face of the current establishment.

[i_ron]

Hi all,snip
Also worth noting there is a Colombian inventor who produces units on similar theme. His name is Carlos Ucros and his design does much the same using different configuration only doing it slower and using greater masses.  His English is much worse than mine but the pictures on his site tell the story.            http://www.ucros-energy.es.tl/ENGLISH-.htm
He claims ~ 5 times power multiplication.

Cheers

Honza,


Well I looked at his site but pretty well a dead loss with the poor drawings and tiny print. Nothing is given away as to what or how he is doing this, pity as there may be something worth while here. Seems much like he wanted to sell kits?  But the weight would be prohibitive.


Have you seen one or have any further information?


Thanks, Ron

[majkl]

hi


i've found a video with the replication from Ukraine
http://www.magistrala.cz/freeenergy/2012/09/04/моÑ,ор-эксценÑ,рик-генераÑ,ор/


...two flywheels, but no pendulum (not yet?)


this video is very short  -- screenshoots:
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10152070486300652.892479.280450125651&type=1


best regards
--michael