Working SMOT ramp from Tom Ferko ?

[magnetman12003]

Hi Guys, Here is a thought that might work in a circular SMOT concept.

The donut shaped ring magnet is used as a wheel and is free to rotate inside a non magnetic cyliner or drum.  It is free to rotate 360 degrees around a central pivot point attached to a long axle its connected to.  The axle is free to rotate 360 also on its pivot point.

The cylinder wall have curved magnet bars all around the sides. Two STAGGERED rows as illustrated.  One row faces the lower side of the magnet wheel. And one row faces the topside of the wheel.

ONLY ONE POLARITY OF THE WHEEL IS USED!  Thats the polarity that faces outward on the wheel and faces the rail magnets.   Doing this eliminates the possibilitys of sticky spots later.

Look very carefully at the illustration of both rail magnet POLARITYS on the bottom and the top of the wheel.  Both in FRONT of the ring and BEHIND the ring.  You can see why the magnet donut wheel should roll in the indicated direction.  Comments?

Tom

[nwman]

Tom,

So one rail was made of 13 - 1.5L x 3/4thick neo magnets? I can't find that dimension magnet anywhere? I also don't see any pictures of neo magnets just ceramic? The best thing I can find is 3/4"thick x 1/2"L neos for $4 each which would cost $104+ per rail? Ouch. Which rail was it in the video? It might be cheaper for me to fly and meet you and play with yours!

How confident are you that if it was all made with neos it would still work and not be too strong? I would like to start exactly where you left off in the video but thats a lot of cash. I could build two rails with 3/4D x 1/4L grade 8 ceramic magnets in groups of 6 all for around $30 plus the three 4.5" inch ring magnets for $18+shipping. But if I used neos it would cost near $300. Which I wouldn't hesitate to buy if.........

I'll ask again. Could you show me a video clip using the same layout as your first video but including exactly what fallows:

-A flat level surface running a few feet before and after the rails.

-Show the magnet sitting at rest just before and outside the pull of the rails at the start.

- Then have you roll the magnet closer to the start of the rails with one finger on top until the rails pull the ring magnet in. Showing that it pulls it in and doesn't have a repelling affect.

-Then show it continue through the rails and out the other side free of the rails.

-It would be nice to also see two videos of this from top view and one from the side. (optional)


I would really love to help you here but I just can't justify that kind of money without seeing the above. You do this for me and I think I can really help you out. Please let me know ASAP if you can and will do this video for me!

Thanks,

Tim

[magnetman12003]

Hi Tim,

You dont have to buy expensive Neos Tim.

Just stick with the rails using all ceramic magnets and you will be alright.  The rails will have to come a little closer to the runner magnet however to make this work as the ceramics are less powerfull.

I just used what I had on hand.  My neos were 3/4 inch in diameter - not 3/4 inch thick.   

I have already taken my rails apart and am using the stacked magnets for other projects. No more movies till I get a circular track running.  You will definetely have no problem trying this linear setup on your own.   The magnet rail placement/adjustment is critical to get it to work. Also the whole setup must be perfectly level.  Hills might come later.  I was happy just seeing it work as shown in the movie.

Once you do this the next thing will be how can I make this into a circular form.

Thats what I have been attempting to do and its not easy.  Using a staggered magnetic track seems to hold the answer however.   

I have already built a SMOT setup and was able to roll a steel ball in a circular form better than 180 degrees. No movie.  Project taklen apart.  The bottom line however in all projects is how can I use this to power something else?   I saw no future in it except to sit in a museum as a curiosity.  Rolling large round magnets have a lot more going for them to power other things.

The next illustration will be a new thought on a circular ( Magnet wheel ) setup I probably will attempt next.

Tom

[magnetman12003]

Hi,

The below illustation can be formed on the ousides of a non magnetic drum or cylinder.  The top curved C section is the same size as the low C section. For illustration purposes I had to format it the way you see it.  The low C section looks smaller but is acually the same size as the top C. 

A little side view illustration might clear up that point.

Notice that the two magnet wheels mounted in the center of the drum have a common 360 power takeoff pivot axle.  The wheels have only one polarity facing outwards to the cylinder sides. In this case North polarity.  South polarity is not in the ballgame at all. South face the insides of the wheels.

The wheels will track the curved side rails in the direction indicated.  When the wheels meet the area where the top and low curved sections overlap -- We will call that overlap area a neutral zone. Both a south and north polarity exist there and the end result is a cancelling out effect.  Not the dreaded sticky spot.  Since the wheels/axle are already turning they will easily swing through this area and then the start tracking the polarity of the curved rails again.

Guys,  Hopefully its that simple.  A start on this is shown  also.     Comments?

Tom

[Jdo300]

Hi Tom,

That design is starting to look like the MAG-GEN. For those of you who have never seen it. I have a saved copy of the website that I attached to this post. It's an Internet Explorer .mht file.

To this day, I still don't know of anyone who has tried to make the MAG-GEN; rather sad really...

God Bless,
Jason O