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Unipolar Induction - Relative motion isn't needed!

Started by gravityblock, July 14, 2012, 11:54:39 PM

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gravityblock

Quote from: lumen on July 29, 2012, 08:32:15 PM
The lead from point "A" can make any stright line path away from the magnet and still cut the field lines only once.
Just draw all the field lines from the N to the S face and you will see this.
The fact remains there is one stationary conductor and one rotating conductor.

Lumen, you're missing the point.  The only role which a stationary conductor and a rotating conductor plays in the Faraday generator is to keep the whole circuit from being cut twice in the same direction.  There is no induction when the magnet is rotated while the whole circuit is stationary, because the whole circuit is cut twice in the same direction.  What if half of the stationary circuit is cut in one direction and the other half of the stationary circuit is cut in the opposite direction?  We would have induction, right?  Of course we would.  In the right configurations, such as in reply #36, then this can be done.  Half of the stationary circuit would be on the left side of the magnet configuration, while the other half of the stationary circuit would be on the right side of the magnet configuration.  The stationary circuit on each side of the magnet will each be cut by the rotating field lines in the opposite directions, which would produce twice the voltage and be equivalent to twice the angular velocity of the system.  If the field is always stationary, regardless if the magnet is rotated or not, then only the rotating conductor will be cut by the field and the stationary circuit will act only as a return path.  If the field rotates with the magnet, then the stationary conductor will only be cut by the field and the rotating circuit will act only as a return path.  If the whole circuit is stationary or if the whole circuit rotates with the magnet, then in either case there is no induction because either the entire circuit was cut twice, or there was no relative motion between the field and a conductor, depending on if the field rotates with the magnet or not.

Edited:  Added the portion in bold.

Gravock
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Dave45

This is what I think  ::)
I think electricity is no more than a magnetic monopole, in other words we dont split the pos and neg but north pole from south pole, the north pole will run back to the north pole and the south pole will run back to the south pole but they will not run back to each other.
When we spit the magnetic poles we create two forms of electricity, if we think about it flipping a magnet end over end cutting a conductor we create ac current but if spun like the Faraday disc with bucking magnets we should get a dc current.
In order to have a efficient system we must allow for both types of electricity, we must conduct both away from the source, by using the bucking coil system the two alike poles cancel each other allowing the other to flow unhindered.

We can think of the poles as a spring with a ccw angular momentum and another spring with a cw angular momentum they will run with themselves but will not run with each other unless cut into small segments like in ac current, this is what causes ac current to vibrate or move back and forth in a conductor,  one is attracted to ground and one is repelled by ground, one seeks ground the other seeks to radiate.

TechStuf

If you've arrived at this tentative theory by your own observation, I commend you!  However, the work of Maxwell, Johnson, Newman, and others, refer to similar observations.  Simply sliding two ring magnets on a vertically held pencil with opposing polarities inward, then removing the magnets, flipping both, and doing it again to reveal that the distance between them remains the same, readily disproves the current field models as displayed in the "science" halls.  You see, if their model is correct then the aforementioned demonstration is impossible.  The future is all "solid" state, so to speak.  Given the evidence, it is nearly mandatory for me to believe that the progression of man's technology follows a curve that was inevitable, considering the collective decisions which man nearly unfailingly defaults to choose for himself and those he dominates .  The raw materials and progression of their implementation at the hands of man, and results.....We are living in another dark age, this one, largely technological.  The large divide between the haves and have nots, isn't an accident.  Misery loves company and abhors a vacuum.  Or at least, 'vacuum' energy.

And speaking of 'vacuum', consider the ultra dense magnet that is the Black Hole.  Here is what Harvard has to say:
Quote"A black hole is a true "hole" in space: Anything that crosses the edge of the hole - called the "horizon" of the hole - is swallowed forever. For this reason, black holes are considered an edge of space, a one-way exit door from our universe; nothing inside a black hole can ever communicate with our universe again, even in principle."

An "exit door", no coming back.....Reminds me of the Word of God, as describes the "bottomless pit" where lucifer, satan, and all those choosing his side are sent.  Not only does this "one-way exit door from our universe" (according to harvard) truly have no bottom, but God also describes those being thrown in it, as being cast into "outer darkness" where their weeping and gnashing of teeth will be.  Think of a black hole as a gravito-magnetic 'knot' in space.  Tied by torsional stresses beyond human comprehension.   http://rense.com/general54/babalc.htm Thinking 3 and 4 dimensionally, we see that such a 'knot' tied in our universe, essentially puts one 'outside' it and into 'outer' darkness.  If light cannot escape, how does one think that energy beings such as the souls which now control the bio-mechanical suits we all wear, will fare?  Get right with our creator dear readers, as all will be laid bare at the end of days, soon in coming.  Nothing now hidden, will remain covered, all will be revealed. And as Christ Himself has said, no longer will one man work the field and another take the fruits of his labor, nor more will one man build and another take occupancy, but all will keep the fruits of their labor.  Heaven is not a huge insect like collective, but instead, free will is maintained and the rights and respect of the individual are confirmed and upheld for the betterment of all.


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Dave45

Quote from: TechStuf on July 30, 2012, 12:52:41 AM
If you've arrived at this tentative theory by your own observation, I commend you!  However, the work of Maxwell, Johnson, Newman, and others, refer to similar observations.  Simply sliding two ring magnets on a vertically held pencil with opposing polarities inward, then removing the magnets, flipping both, and doing it again to reveal that the distance between them remains the same, readily disproves the current field models as displayed in the "science" halls.  You see, if their model is correct then the aforementioned demonstration is impossible.  The future is all "solid" state, so to speak.  Given the evidence, it is nearly mandatory for me to believe that the progression of man's technology follows a curve that was inevitable, considering the collective decisions which man nearly unfailingly defaults to choose for himself and those he dominates .  The raw materials and progression of their implementation at the hands of man, and results.....We are living in another dark age, this one, largely technological.  The large divide between the haves and have nots, isn't an accident.  Misery loves company and abhors a vacuum.  Or at least, 'vacuum' energy.

And speaking of 'vacuum', consider the ultra dense magnet that is the Black Hole.  Here is what Harvard has to say:
An "exit door", no coming back.....Reminds me of the Word of God, as describes the "bottomless pit" where lucifer, satan, and all those choosing his side are sent.  Not only does this "one-way exit door from our universe" (according to harvard) truly have no bottom, but God also describes those being thrown in it, as being cast into "outer darkness" where their weeping and gnashing of teeth will be.  Think of a black hole as a gravito-magnetic 'knot' in space.  Tied by torsional stresses beyond human comprehension.   http://rense.com/general54/babalc.htm Thinking 3 and 4 dimensionally, we see that such a 'knot' tied in our universe, essentially puts one 'outside' it and into 'outer' darkness.  If light cannot escape, how does one think that energy beings such as the souls which now control the bio-mechanical suits we all wear, will fare?  Get right with our creator dear readers, as all will be laid bare at the end of days, soon in coming.  Nothing now hidden, will remain covered, all will be revealed. And as Christ Himself has said, no longer will one man work the field and another take the fruits of his labor, nor more will one man build and another take occupancy, but all will keep the fruits of their labor.  Heaven is not a huge insect like collective, but instead, free will is maintained and the rights and respect of the individual are confirmed and upheld for the betterment of all.


Blessings in Christ Yeshua
Awesome you are gifted with words my friend
I cant express how much truth are in your words

I have come to the same conclusion a black hole is nothing more than the magnetic core of our galaxy.
Our galaxy is the model although a rotating one.

I truly believe the answer to our present quest will be found in ice, I have played with it some and found that it can be structured with a magnetic field and can conduct electricity. The ice is a superconductor if structured, look at quartz crystals(used in crystal radio's) they work by allowing only one type of angular propagation to pass through, ice can be structured to do the same but on a larger scale.

blueplanet

Why not just use the lorentz equation to explain the problem  ?

Remember --- the output of your configuration should give a DC, while faraday's magnetic line-cutting  method is intended for AC analysis only.